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Four-Wheel Drive, Satellite Messaging & Electric Coolers: Overrated, Underrated or Properly Rated?

We are back with a brand new edition of: Overrated?! Underrated?! Or Properly Rated?!


Four-wheel drive, satellite messaging and electric coolers take center stage in this episode of Gear and Beer, where our gear expert and Cicerone, Justin Housman, determines FOR ALL TIME whether these items are overrated, underrated, or properly rated!


Today on the show Colin manages the big board of brands and tees Justin up to makes his final rulings all while sipping on delicious beers.


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Episode Transcript

Colin True

00:00:02.400 - 00:00:14.965

Welcome to Gear and Beer, the podcast for gearheads, beer buffs and adventurers with discerning tastes. And the latest addition to the Rock Fight podcast network. I'm Colin True. I work for brands and makers in the outdoor industry for over 20 years.


Justin Housman

00:00:16.985 - 00:00:21.065

Sorry, I caught looking at something else, so I'm so sorry.


Colin True

00:00:21.145 - 00:00:21.441

Go ahead.


Justin Housman

00:00:21.473 - 00:00:22.121

It's okay.


Colin True

00:00:22.273 - 00:00:24.481

No, go jump in. Edit it.


Justin Housman

00:00:24.513 - 00:00:42.181

It's hilarious.


Hi, everyone, I'm Justin Houseman, Long time editor, longtime professional gear reviewer, long time beer nut, full time beer cicerone, which means beer expert. As you all know, you've.


Colin True

00:00:42.253 - 00:00:44.397

We should tell the audience you've been, you've been promoted.


Justin Housman

00:00:44.541 - 00:00:45.133

I have.


Colin True

00:00:45.229 - 00:00:47.101

You're promoted to the big chair next week.


Justin Housman

00:00:47.173 - 00:01:11.097

Oh, that's right, next week. I'm running the show on this, on Gear and Beer, folks. So I don't know what that means. Probably a lot. We're gonna find out.


I mean, the thing that Colin has that I don't have is just the world class voice. Like, damn it, Colin, every time I listen to our podcast, I mean, my voice sounds fine, but you have a great voice.


It's like you took lessons on how to present yourself on the radio. I mean, you like. It's wild to me that you're not doing ads.


Colin True

00:01:11.281 - 00:01:52.279

Well, today we are going to tap into Justin's knowledge once again and his expertise as a professional gear reviewer to leverage his years of experience and adventure and journalism as we play a little game called overrated, underrated or properly rated. I'm going to name a piece of outdoor gear or a category of gear and Justin is going to have to determine for all time.


The stakes are high here, folks, if that gear is overrated, underrated, or properly rated. And you know why he's making that determination.


So, and like, just like last time, outdoor gear manufacturers everywhere, they're sitting in on this call with us. They're all mute right now. It's why you can't hear them.


They're listening about Viagra talk and all this other stuff, but they are on the edge of their seats waiting to see if their gear has been nominated to be talked about and what Justin's going to say.


Justin Housman

00:01:52.367 - 00:01:59.083

So what you don't see, folks, is right now there's like six 64 squares with all these faces looking at us nervously.


Colin True

00:01:59.219 - 00:01:59.755

Exactly.


Justin Housman

00:01:59.835 - 00:02:09.427

And what I've done is I've, I've made like a little, a little like icon with like dollar signs on it. And the bigger their dollar sign icons get, the more I'm likely to talk about their product and to rate it as.


Colin True

00:02:09.531 - 00:02:10.699

This is how we make money here.


Justin Housman

00:02:10.787 - 00:02:15.483

Yeah. So it's great. It's a lot of fun for us to watch this. All these. Look at all these C suite folks. Just.


Colin True

00:02:15.539 - 00:02:16.635

Oh, they're sweating bullets.


Justin Housman

00:02:16.675 - 00:02:23.201

Just sweating out there in Boulder and Jackson and Bend and that's it.


Colin True

00:02:23.313 - 00:02:24.401

That's it. That's where they all are.


Justin Housman

00:02:24.433 - 00:02:25.073

That's where they are.


Colin True

00:02:25.169 - 00:02:34.233

Well, that. They're going to have to wait one second longer here because we have to talk about a couple other other things for our gear and beer listeners.


We need you guys right now to follow and rate gear in beer.


Justin Housman

00:02:34.289 - 00:02:34.473

All right?


Colin True

00:02:34.489 - 00:02:44.113

If you're listening to this on whatever podcast app you're listening to us on, we need you to follow and rate us. Okay? That's what we need you to do. Don't think about it. Just take your phone out of your pocket, click follow.


Justin Housman

00:02:44.169 - 00:02:44.489

No time.


Colin True

00:02:44.537 - 00:02:44.985

Thank you.


Justin Housman

00:02:45.065 - 00:02:49.325

Takes. You know how long it takes us to, like, record these podcasts and to think about them? Long time take.


Colin True

00:02:49.365 - 00:02:52.493

When you. When you compare, right? The free.


Justin Housman

00:02:52.549 - 00:02:55.261

The podcast is free, so it's not.


Colin True

00:02:55.293 - 00:02:58.261

Hard to do, people. Yeah, let's listen to Justin Housman.


Justin Housman

00:02:58.333 - 00:03:27.173

I mean, honestly, I've done a lot. I've worked in media for a really long time.


I've watched people's just like a, like, willingness to pay and to deal with things just, like, go off of a cliff. But folks, you gotta realize podcasts are free. Like, they're free. Like, nothing. What else is free? I mean, like, not like this point now.


Most articles I want to read are behind a paywall. That's true. So, like, very few things are free.


So all we're asking is you to literally tap your phone screen two times or three times, whatever, because we're gonna.


Colin True

00:03:27.189 - 00:03:29.213

Ask you do it again. With our other podcast, the Rock.


Justin Housman

00:03:29.309 - 00:03:39.861

I've already tapped. I've already, like, clicked like 37 times just on the same page, following along this outline. Like, I could have.


I could have clicked follow and like to so many podcasts by now.


Colin True

00:03:39.973 - 00:03:45.109

And you can't, you know, if we let you down, you can unfollow. No, this is not a lifelong commitment.


Justin Housman

00:03:45.157 - 00:03:46.301

No, no. Yes, it is.


Colin True

00:03:46.333 - 00:03:46.837

Yes, it is.


Justin Housman

00:03:46.861 - 00:03:47.245

Yes, it is.


Colin True

00:03:47.285 - 00:03:47.685

Yes, it is.


Justin Housman

00:03:47.725 - 00:03:47.981

All right.


Colin True

00:03:48.013 - 00:03:48.597

Apparently it is.


Justin Housman

00:03:48.621 - 00:03:54.553

I'm sorry, we have a little widget installed, so unfollow. There's like a cookie that follows you down forever. And you don't want that cookie, trust me.


Colin True

00:03:54.649 - 00:04:01.649

Well, for Justin, for our listeners who aren't afraid of following and don't maybe don't mind doing a few Other things. If they want to email us, you know, where should they send?


Justin Housman

00:04:01.697 - 00:04:25.049

Oh, that'd be great. They should send us an email@myrockfightmail.com. that's the place. That's myrockfightmail.com.


you can also follow us on Instagram, where our handle is Rockfight company And you can get our weekly newsletter right there in your newsletter in your email inbox by heading over to Rockfight Co and joining our mailing list. Simple as pie. Is that a saying? Simple as pie.


Colin True

00:04:25.177 - 00:04:29.605

It is now. If it isn't. Yeah, sure. Pie, simple. Pie over cake. You go, pie over.


Justin Housman

00:04:30.105 - 00:04:31.385

It's easy as pie.


Colin True

00:04:31.505 - 00:04:31.921

You're right.


Justin Housman

00:04:31.953 - 00:04:33.137

Easy as pie. No, I'm a cake man.


Colin True

00:04:33.201 - 00:04:34.153

Pie kind of work. You're a cake man?


Justin Housman

00:04:34.169 - 00:04:35.169

I'm a cake man. Yeah.


Colin True

00:04:35.217 - 00:04:36.753

I like cake, but I think I prefer pie.


Justin Housman

00:04:36.809 - 00:04:39.673

I realize cake is, like, the childish response, but God, I love cake.


Colin True

00:04:39.769 - 00:04:41.665

I prefer cupcakes to cake cake.


Justin Housman

00:04:41.825 - 00:04:44.193

Nope. Give me a big old wedge of cake.


Colin True

00:04:44.329 - 00:04:45.685

What kind of cake? What flavor?


Justin Housman

00:04:46.505 - 00:04:48.633

Lemon. I'm a lemon guy. Huge lemon.


Colin True

00:04:48.729 - 00:04:50.893

I love lemon. Any lemons?


Justin Housman

00:04:51.049 - 00:04:51.797

Yeah.


Colin True

00:04:51.981 - 00:04:53.269

Either pro or anti.


Justin Housman

00:04:53.397 - 00:04:57.265

My favorite dessert in the world is really good key lime pie, in case you're wondering.


Colin True

00:04:58.685 - 00:05:01.365

So I like a white cake with chocolate frosting.


Justin Housman

00:05:01.445 - 00:05:02.285

I'll eat that.


Colin True

00:05:02.405 - 00:05:02.797

Yeah.


Justin Housman

00:05:02.861 - 00:05:03.797

I'm not gonna say no.


Colin True

00:05:03.901 - 00:05:05.301

Yeah. But I really prefer a good.


Justin Housman

00:05:05.333 - 00:05:06.625

A good. What about pie?


Colin True

00:05:07.485 - 00:05:12.389

I mean, it's just hard not to go. It's hard to go against apple or cherry. Apple's the best.


Justin Housman

00:05:12.517 - 00:05:15.029

Yeah, I mean, apple's the best. It's the best.


Colin True

00:05:15.077 - 00:05:17.493

If you get a good pumpkin pie. It's. It's delightful.


Justin Housman

00:05:17.589 - 00:05:21.467

Good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But not nothing. Nothing beats apple. Nothing beats apple pie.


Colin True

00:05:21.571 - 00:05:32.691

Speaking of food and food things before we get to our game here that we're going to play, we can't really do that without wetting our whistles. So I think we should probably crack open a beer.


Justin Housman

00:05:32.763 - 00:05:33.539

Okay, let's do it.


Colin True

00:05:33.627 - 00:05:38.691

All right. So what did you decide to bring today? So the Cicerone said we can bring whatever we want.


Justin Housman

00:05:38.723 - 00:06:05.971

Yeah, it's kind of a grab bag. It's sort of a grab bag show. I'm working with a Sudvik Brewing out of Davis, California, where the home of UC Davis.


This is one of the best breweries in the country. Yeah, they're really, really good. They make. They probably pronounce it Sudburg, but it's Sudberg. I mean, it's a German thing.


They make a bunch of good beers. This is their Hefeweizen, which is my favorite. Hefeweizen that I've ever had. Absolutely adore this beer.


Colin True

00:06:06.123 - 00:06:09.275

Why just immediately. This is one of the best. This is one of the best.


Justin Housman

00:06:09.315 - 00:06:21.747

Sudra kicks ass. They're really, really good. We haven't probably. I don't think we've done any of them on the podcast before. They don't have a huge distribution.


I don't know if you can get them in Southern California. You probably could. If you've ever seen the people. If you ever see the people's Pilsner, that's these guys.


Colin True

00:06:21.891 - 00:06:22.499

Okay.


Justin Housman

00:06:22.627 - 00:06:53.191

But I think this Hefeweizen is probably the best known beer that they make. And Davis is a rad, like, college town. It's like a great bike friendly town, Cool place, cool brewery, but it's just great. And Hefeweizens are.


I always like Hefeweizens. They have that kind of. That's a wheat beer. They have that kind of. They're usually hazy. Almost always hazy.


They have like that kind of bubble gum or banana kind of like sweetness to them. For some reason lately, I've been really digging it.


You know what I like to do with this one is I like to mix it with a little bit of pineapple orange juice. Oh, it's really good.


Colin True

00:06:53.223 - 00:06:54.799

Kind of. Kind of create a little shandy kind.


Justin Housman

00:06:54.807 - 00:07:03.959

Of thing, sort of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Weather's been really warm here lately, so I wanted some warm beers, but that's what I got. What do you got?


It's better not be that damn 384 Pale Ale again.


Colin True

00:07:04.047 - 00:07:05.959

I thought of it. I almost did it, but I didn't.


Justin Housman

00:07:06.007 - 00:07:08.395

I did. I'm my fridge for 10 months.


Colin True

00:07:08.815 - 00:07:17.169

I did. Well, I did. I am drawing on a previous episode, but a different beer that I had. I had a Kona Gold Cliff ipa because I had not tried this one yet.


Justin Housman

00:07:17.297 - 00:07:19.241

Gold Cliff. While they really branching out.


Colin True

00:07:19.313 - 00:07:27.105

7.2. It's a little. It's a little. A little more than I was bargaining for. But I've not had this one yet.


And I was like, I've enjoyed every Kona beer I've had. I want to give this one a shot.


Justin Housman

00:07:27.185 - 00:07:36.129

I think they're clearly expanding. That doesn't even look like Hawaii on the front. That looks like. That looks more like an Australian scenario. As far as. That's a great dive.


Colin True

00:07:36.217 - 00:07:38.885

It's weird how somebody have a picture of a guy committing suicide.


Justin Housman

00:07:39.345 - 00:07:42.921

See, I don't think people commit suicide usually have that kind of an elegant swap.


Colin True

00:07:43.113 - 00:07:45.801

You can die with style, right? I mean, would you.


Justin Housman

00:07:45.833 - 00:07:53.349

I feel like if you're going to be jumping off a cliff to end it all. You're. If you're. If you're. That if you're in that much of a happy place that you're like, I'm a. And swan dive, you're probably not.


Colin True

00:07:53.397 - 00:07:55.061

You're like, I regret this immediately.


Justin Housman

00:07:55.173 - 00:07:57.917

Unless it's like a terminal thing and you're like, well, I don't really have a choice.


Colin True

00:07:58.021 - 00:07:58.445

Yeah.


Justin Housman

00:07:58.525 - 00:07:59.037

Yeah.


Colin True

00:07:59.141 - 00:08:00.865

Let's crack these bad boys open.


Justin Housman

00:08:02.005 - 00:08:02.933

I'm ready.


Colin True

00:08:03.069 - 00:08:03.745

Ready?


Justin Housman

00:08:04.165 - 00:08:04.615

3.


Colin True

00:08:04.715 - 00:08:05.615

3. 2.


Justin Housman

00:08:05.715 - 00:08:12.385

2. 1. Oh, that really, like, spritzed. That really spritzed all over the place.


Colin True

00:08:13.165 - 00:08:14.581

Oh, it's a little fruity.


Justin Housman

00:08:14.773 - 00:08:39.965

Oh, that's good. So here's a little fun, fun note for you.


If you've been to Germany or spent a lot of time there, especially southern Germany, Heffeweizen is often kind of a breakfast beer. Now, I don't know about that, like, during the week, but maybe. But, like, this is really good with eggs and like. So, like, you'll see people.


You'll see people in Germany, like, straight up order Hefeweizen at breakfast and have like a shrimp omelette or whatever. They're interesting. Big old tall glass of beer.


Colin True

00:08:41.065 - 00:08:52.365

I think the only time I've. The first time I ever had beer with breakfast was at an Irish pub in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, actually. And I had steak and eggs with a beer.


And I was massively hungover. And it was at a heart. It was a harp, actually, with.


Justin Housman

00:08:52.785 - 00:08:54.873

That's the only time I would ever have beer in the morning.


Colin True

00:08:54.969 - 00:08:55.889

It was so good.


Justin Housman

00:08:55.937 - 00:08:59.801

I've only ever done that once. And, boy, it works. Which is terrifying.


Colin True

00:08:59.953 - 00:09:01.921

Yeah. Just immediately, immediately feel better.


Justin Housman

00:09:01.993 - 00:09:39.185

It's wild. And I get like all of a sudden, like, oh, I get how people can, like, dive into a real dark place here pretty fast.


The day I graduated from college, the night before, like, I just partied, you know, and I was, you know, considerably older than my friends. So, like, my friends come into town, they're like, all stoked that I graduated. And, like, so we're just like, partying.


And I woke up with the worst hangover I've ever had. And my. And like, graduations at like 2:00, you know.


And, like, you know, I had a couple family members coming in and, like a bunch of friends coming in. Buddy of mine's like, let's go get bloody Marys. I'm like, are you insane? He's like, just trust me, dude.


By like 4:00 afternoon, I was drinking more beer.


Colin True

00:09:41.805 - 00:09:49.045

This actually is good. It's got a. It says it has. It's. It was.


I said it was fruity and it's brewed with pineapple and you can kind of taste a little bit of the fruitiness in there.


Justin Housman

00:09:49.085 - 00:10:03.647

I think Kona's doing a great job. Kona beer reminds me of Kona bikes.


It's like, although I should say I don't know where Kono bikes are going now, but, like, just kind of like it's not going to, like, wow you, but you do not have to worry about it if you see Kona. It's going to be good.


Colin True

00:10:03.711 - 00:10:04.423

It's going to be fine.


Justin Housman

00:10:04.479 - 00:10:05.515

It's going to be fine.


Colin True

00:10:05.975 - 00:10:28.105

All right, man. Well, let's get into our game because the first thing here is something that I feel like it always seems to spark either a debate.


Maybe it's completely misunderstood. And I thought this was a really interesting addition that you gave us for the game today. So. And this is definitely an outdoorsy thing to talk about.


So, Justin, is four wheel drive or all wheel drive overrated, underrated, or is it properly rated?


Justin Housman

00:10:28.225 - 00:10:33.689

Okay. Well, when I first envisioned this question, because I came up with this one.


Colin True

00:10:33.817 - 00:10:34.649

You did?


Justin Housman

00:10:34.817 - 00:10:44.801

I did. I was thinking more along the lines of is true four wheel drive versus all wheel drive. Oh, but the way.


Colin True

00:10:44.833 - 00:10:46.513

Oh, well, we could revise the question. Hold on.


Justin Housman

00:10:46.529 - 00:10:51.365

Now I'm thinking about it. Now I'm thinking about it.


Colin True

00:10:53.525 - 00:10:56.037

Is it all one thing?


Justin Housman

00:10:56.181 - 00:11:03.517

Well, it's close. I mean, they're. They're kind of. Those are kind of two separate questions, but I think I'm going to tackle it the way that you have it written here.


Colin True

00:11:03.621 - 00:11:04.305

Okay.


Justin Housman

00:11:05.805 - 00:12:41.529

I think I. God, I think I'm going to say it's overrated. And here's why. It's. I feel like this comes up a lot.


Well, we've only done this game once before, but if you need four wheel drive, you have to have four wheel drive. So, like, there's a point at which it can't. It's. There's not even a race. It's just. It's. You have to have it. It's like water, right? Like, you can't.


You physically cannot get to a place with the vehicle without having four wheel drive. So at that point, there's no. I'm not talking about that.


I'm not talking about like rock crawling or a situation where you absolutely know that you have to have four wheel drive to get to a place for whatever reason.


So throwing that out, I think the, like, the fact that all of us feel like we have to have all wheel drive or four wheel drive vehicles to go outdoors and play is totally insane. And I don't think that people realize that like four wheel drive wasn't even very popular until like the late 70s.


It didn't like most trucks didn't have it. Like you had to like go out of your way to get it sort of. I mean you just get the four wheel drive one. But like it was pretty normal not to have it.


And guess what? People were going to all the same places that we are now. All the same places.


You know, people drove without like four wheel drive in the snow for most of our lives. It's only been the last like 30 years where like all wheel drive was like a thing for like regular cars. Right. So you can get by without it.


And it costs a lot more to have it and it costs a lot more to fix things that break on it. Like there's a lot of reasons to not have all wheel drive. But there's something kind of like my first few trucks were all two wheel drive.


And I don't know what it is but there's just something I guess moxie. I don't know. There's something kind of cool about just having like I just got a two wheel drive truck.


I'm just going to floor it if it's sandy or muddy or whatever.


Colin True

00:12:41.657 - 00:12:41.969

Yeah.


Justin Housman

00:12:42.017 - 00:14:04.411

And like I'm just going to deal with it and like I don't need to. You know, 90% of the time I don't have any use for four wheel drive at all. Most of the people I know that have four wheel drive trucks never turned.


Even if they're. When I'm going, you know, like in my dispersed camping zones, I barely ever turn four wheel drive on. You know.


Like I will sometimes just to see if I can make it up something for fun, you know. Like that hill looks kind of crazy. I wonder if I can make it up that.


But like to get to where I'm going very rarely, you know, it's nice to know that you have it. But you know what else is fine? Just chains, you know, like if it's snowing and super gnarly, you just stop and throw some chains on there.


80 bucks, you know, like four wheel drive is going to bump the cost of any vehicle up by at least three grand, if not more depending on what you're looking at. Plus you know, just weighs a lot more. Like gas mileage is worse. All that sort of stuff. I just like it is, I think you would agree with me.


Like it's so much cooler when you see a two wheel drive car at a trailhead that like you kind of like were like, I don't know, on your truck and you pull up, there's a Honda Civic. I mean that's just like the coolest thing on earth. And like, I don't know, like my ne. I, I have a four wheel drive truck. I love it.


I do use four wheel drive probably more than most. But man, it would be cooler if I had like a Plymouth Voyager, just like a two wheel drive minivan.


Like there's just something, something cooler about it. Like you can go wherever you want and if you can't get there, fine, don't, you know, or walk further. It's just like. Yeah.


So I definitely think it's, I definitely think technically it's for the most part overrated in the sense that you almost certainly don't need it. You almost certainly don't need it.


Colin True

00:14:04.523 - 00:14:23.567

I think you're spot on with the way it came about. I think the as I was definitely I fell victim to the sort of outdoor industrial complex.


We're in like 1999 and I'm getting into outdoor stuff and I'm like I gotta have a Jeep and I bet it's got to have four wheel drives. I'm going, you know why? Cuz I need to look like I'm an outdoorsy guy.


Justin Housman

00:14:23.631 - 00:14:25.663

Yeah. I can't anybody asking questions, right?


Colin True

00:14:25.719 - 00:14:35.119

No one's going to ask me questions because they're going to see my car and you're like oh, look at that guy. And I think you know, the, the proliferation of all wheel drive if you, you know, I, I see that as.


Justin Housman

00:14:35.207 - 00:14:36.615

Someone who lived in like safety thing.


Colin True

00:14:36.775 - 00:15:22.085

Exactly. Safety thing. Like so when I lived in snowy climates it definitely helped me out, it definitely kept me safer, all that stuff. Right.


So but I never now the benefit of hindsight understanding that I never went to a place that maybe had dirt roads to get into it or you know like some, some you know, whatever.


Like places where it was tough to get through in a normal car and felt like I, I've never had a vehicle where it's like there was never like a, I couldn't get over some hump. Right.


It was either going to be like you can either get through this with what you got or you can't to your point and then you have to have four wheel drive. And so you know, the whole all wheel drive, four wheel drive thing if you need it for your day to day, I get it. Otherwise just get the car. You Want.


And if you really want to go to these gnarly places, well then find a big lifted truck with four wheel drive.


Justin Housman

00:15:22.125 - 00:16:10.579

And if you want four wheel drive, fine.


You know, like sometimes, sometimes, I mean, if I'm being perfectly like, if I'm being completely and totally like coldly rational about this, I have a four wheel drive truck because I want one, not because I need the four wheel drive. You know, it's. And I've had enough moments in a two wheel drive truck where I'll be like, I think I can make it, but I'm not going to try, you know.


And like, but that's almost like if the thing with four wheel drive in the. And the way, you know, way back in the backcountry is like, you really want to use that more for like, like I got stuck. Now I can get out.


Like getting stuck if you're in four wheel drive is horrible because you're like, I had nothing I can do now. Like I, I've already, you know, now I'm like, I gotta dig out, I gotta winch out. Like it's a whole different ball game.


But if you're like by yourself and you're dicking around like you only turn off four wheel drive. Cause you're like, shit, I don't know if I can make it up this.


Colin True

00:16:10.627 - 00:16:14.931

Well, that's what I'm. 90% of us aren't gonna go to those places where that could happen.


Justin Housman

00:16:15.003 - 00:17:40.293

It's wild how you think you need that. And then you drive on all these dirt roads and you're like, oh, most of the like all these four service trucks I see are two wheel drive or whatever.


Like you just like, it's so, it's just so rare. And I don't, I hate sounding like an old man about this kind of thing, but like one of the things that's kind of.


I, I get why, I get why they're like this now, but it's a bit of a bummer. Um, you know, when I first got into like off roading and stuff, I had, you know, a four wheel drive Bronco.


You had to get out and like manually lock the hubs and then get back in the truck and then like shift with the little four wheel drive shifter. And you had to earn it a little bit, right? Like you had, you had to be even just that much that comfortable with.


Like locking hubs meant turning a knob. But you had to know what that felt like sometimes. It wouldn't do it. You had to be like, oh, maybe I'll have To back up.


Like it required a little bit of thought and you actually had to get out of the car to do it, right. Versus like the car cars now that are just programmed with all that and like it doesn't require anything from you, you know.


And like when I drove the new Broncos, you just push all these buttons and they'll, they'll crawl over a volcanic glass, you know, like without any input on your part. And you're like, I don't know, like, I just feel like there's, there was a time when people were. Could do more things.


Like you could drive a two wheel drive car in the snow. Like you could do this. Like you just knew stuff and I don't know, like.


So to me it's, it's just cooler when you're, when you're not limited by your vehicle, but you know your vehicle well enough that you don't really need to worry about having a Tacoma trd off road just to go to the campsite that you like.


Colin True

00:17:40.389 - 00:17:52.661

Well, I just took a look at our grid and there's some overlanding brands CEOs who are very disappointed. This ruling. Yeah, they're shaking their heads. I'm sorry, listen, but you know what? The gear expert has ruled people will.


Justin Housman

00:17:52.693 - 00:17:57.977

Bolt off road shit to their two wheel drive trucks just the same as they will their four wheel drive trucks. So don't worry about that.


Colin True

00:17:58.141 - 00:18:30.469

You know what's funny? We gotta move on to the next one.


But like when, you know, when, whatever it is, whether you're going surfing, you're going mountain biking, whatever, when you have stuff on your truck and your car, if you have racks out, whatever, anytime I get home, unless I just have to do something else, I disassemble everything and put all my shit away.


So whenever I'm out and about and I see the people with their truck with the fucking gas cans and a ladder and like a rooftop tent and whatever, their whole truck is kitted out now. I don't know, maybe they're just getting back from the desert, maybe they're just getting back from somewhere.


But I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that most of them are not.


Justin Housman

00:18:30.557 - 00:18:32.445

And they want you to like that all the time.


Colin True

00:18:32.525 - 00:18:43.085

Look at me, I'm ready for Mad Max Fury Road. I'm ready to go. You're not. And it's just like, come on man, like, knock it off. You don't need that on your car or your truck, whatever.


Sorry I called your truck a car.


Justin Housman

00:18:43.245 - 00:18:47.477

I think, I think that'll go away. I Think eventually people will be like, yeah, yeah.


Colin True

00:18:47.501 - 00:18:52.013

After we go through the apocalypse and then we're back to normal civilization, then it'll go away.


Justin Housman

00:18:52.069 - 00:19:02.959

I just think it's cooler when you have a stripped down rig, you know, like I do too. I think it's great. You don't. Yeah. I've never seen anybody take a shovel off the side of. I mean people do obviously, but like it's just not.


It's like the shovel, it's like, you.


Colin True

00:19:02.967 - 00:19:08.215

Know, you're just shovel like you're like, oh man. Hey, I gotta pull over real quick. There's some dirt over there. I gotta shovel that real quick.


Justin Housman

00:19:08.255 - 00:19:16.407

No, I mean it's like. So you're not gonna, you're not driving around a place where you might get stuck and need to dig yourself out very often.


So just put the shovel on when you know you're going to be in that situation.


Colin True

00:19:16.471 - 00:19:18.719

I don't know. Also can go in the bed of your truck.


Justin Housman

00:19:18.807 - 00:19:19.995

Yeah, just fine.


Colin True

00:19:20.295 - 00:19:38.059

All right, second piece of gear. This actually extends beyond gear and into technology. A lot of debate about the best way deploy this tech and the best way to use it.


So Justin, we gotta ask you the question. Are satellite messaging, messaging and messengers overrated, underrated or properly rated?


Justin Housman

00:19:38.147 - 00:19:43.775

Okay, so what do we think? The. If we, if we were gonna say properly rated, what do we think the current rating is?


Colin True

00:19:44.395 - 00:19:49.739

Well, I think it depends what's. What are you picturing in your mind when we use this as a category? Thinking like a typical, like spot, you.


Justin Housman

00:19:49.747 - 00:19:52.059

Know, spot in reach. Yeah, yeah.


Colin True

00:19:52.227 - 00:19:55.751

I'm going to say stuff like that is. I'm going to say currently properly rated.


Justin Housman

00:19:55.783 - 00:19:55.903

Right.


Colin True

00:19:55.919 - 00:20:20.541

Because I just. If I was going to go someplace where I needed something, I knew my cell phone was unreliable.


I feel like those things are pretty well proven to work well, you know, and the battery life is what it is and you know all those things. Right. People use them now like as part of races. If somebody's out really in very far out in the backcountry.


I'm sure there are plenty of thru hikers that use things like that. I'm going to. That would be my guess. But you know a little bit more about this than I do.


Justin Housman

00:20:20.663 - 00:21:41.717

Well, I just was curious because my answer is underrated. But I wonder if there is. I guess I'm wondering, I don't know where this would come from because it would come from someone like me.


And I don't feel this way.


Like if we're going to start hitting sort of like a backlash about this kind of thing in the sense that people are going to want you to be more like self rescuing or self contained or whatever it is I'm trying to out out there so I can see the, like. I have probably made the argument before that relying on being able to connect with somebody that isn't with you at the time is a bad strategy.


So you know, like, if you're, if you're getting into a dangerous situation or something like that, like there is a part of me that assumes that there are probably people that take more risks than they otherwise would because they have a thing in their pocket that can communicate with anybody they want whenever they want. Right. Having said that, I would not at this point I don't see a downside to having one like at all. And I wouldn't go somewhere without one anymore.


I mean I might, if I was single, didn't have kids or something, it'd be different. But at this point now I just don't, I don't see the downside. You know, the thing that's nice about them is they're not free.


You know, you have to pay. So it's not like your phone. I mean the thing is phones are getting so good. Like it's possible that like pretty soon Apple will have satellite.


Colin True

00:21:41.861 - 00:21:43.065

Well, I want to ask you.


Justin Housman

00:21:43.805 - 00:22:09.767

And you won't even have to worry about it. But like, you know, I use mine very rarely. I always have it with me.


But if I'm camping and I'm usually camping by myself, I'm, you know, I'll often send my wife a satellite message. Hey, I made it. That's it, right? You know, maybe one or hey, I'm headed back. That's, that's it. You know, like I'm not, I'm not using it to whatever.


Like I'm not, it's not, I'm using it just as a, just as a, hey, just to let you know, I made it because she's going to wonder, you know, and that's it.


Colin True

00:22:09.911 - 00:22:12.207

And is that on like something like the Spot X. Is that what you.


Justin Housman

00:22:12.231 - 00:22:55.959

I use, I use, I use the In Reach. I use the Garmin. So which is, which is like spot. Now you can do that.


Spot used to just be, it would send out little like signals and people could track you.


I just, I, I do, you know, I know enough people who go camping occasionally that when all, you know, when these things come up, they don't really know what I'm talking about. Like they don't have one. You know, that's not like part of Their, their life. It just feels like, you know, we're so digitally connected now.


Nobody has landlines anymore. There's other uses for these things potentially too. You know, it just, it just feels like if you can communicate, you should I.


Now, I'm not in favor necessarily of like full wifi out everywhere you go so you can get distracted. Check your FanDuel account while you're backpacking or something like that. But I definitely think there's no reason not to have these things.


Colin True

00:22:56.047 - 00:23:23.331

If you look at the current in reach, that's 500 bucks. If you look at the baseline spot, the tracking devices, that's somewhere around 120 bucks.


You can find older models now for 50 bucks and they're relatively affordable, considering you think about what probably the technology cost not that long ago. Where does it go, though? What does this marketplace look like as cell phone use? The abilities of cell phones proliferates as well.


I mean, do you think it's gonna like, it's gonna make these. It's gonna wipe out this category? This is. Everyone's gonna have it on their phones.


Justin Housman

00:23:23.403 - 00:23:39.643

My. If my phone had satellite messaging technology, I would not have an in reach. I mean, it's that simple. I mean, you use a phone.


I don't remember how Spot Spot made one. It looked like a BlackBerry that had a physical keyboard. But I presume, I presume they. I don't know if they still make that one or not, but they do.


Colin True

00:23:39.659 - 00:23:40.347

It's sold out currently.


Justin Housman

00:23:40.371 - 00:23:57.243

I just looked well with my Garmin. I use my phone anyway. Like you're. It's Bluetooth. So like I don't even touch. I touch it to turn it on and that's it.


So the rest of the time I just use my phone. So like I'm actually texting through my phone anyway. So if my phone had the ability to do that, Goodbye, Garmin. Like, I. It's gone.


Colin True

00:23:57.339 - 00:24:04.147

So we just threw it. We're kind of talking about a pretty broad category. So you'd say though, these things underrated at this point though, I think, well.


Justin Housman

00:24:04.211 - 00:24:59.007

I mean, it's hard to. I, I would lean toward. I lean toward underrated because I feel like people should have them. But like, I mean, I suppose they probably.


It's probably more realistic to say they're properly rated because I imagine most people think that they're useful and, and probably don't see a problem with them. But I definitely are not overrated.


I mean, I thought about, I thought about making like a Luddite argument before we started recording, you know, But I, again, I just, like, I don't see a downside. It's not like. It's not like a.


A GPS versus a paper map where, like, you're learning something from a paper map and you're interacting with the landscape in a different way, and you're connecting with how people used to do things, and you're not relying on something that does all the work for you and all the. Like, there's good reasons for. For knowing how to read a paper map. There's not like.


There's not like an alternative to a satellite messenger other than simply not communicating, which is totally fine. You don't. That's the thing. You don't have to use it. So just like, I rarely do, but I have it with me.


Colin True

00:24:59.071 - 00:25:00.483

So I think if you're calling these.


Justin Housman

00:25:00.499 - 00:25:03.019

Things overrated, it's not an intrusion, you know?


Colin True

00:25:03.107 - 00:25:29.905

Yeah. I think if you're calling these things overrated and you're gonna make the technology conversation at that point, I want your Gore Tex jacket back.


I want your tent back. I want, like, anything. It's a slippery slope. The technology extends beyond the fact that it's an electronic device. Right.


All these things you're using in your backcountry endeavors are there. It's technology that's keeping you warm, dry, cool, or safe, whatever it is.


This is just an extension of that so that, hey, if the shit goes south, you're not going to, you know, Aaron Ralston, your arm off. You know what I mean? Like, it's going to.


Justin Housman

00:25:29.985 - 00:25:30.225

Right.


Colin True

00:25:30.265 - 00:25:33.377

So that's why it's at least properly rated, if not underrated.


Justin Housman

00:25:33.481 - 00:25:38.057

Yeah, totally. Yep. I would say that you summed it up really well.


Colin True

00:25:38.121 - 00:25:59.665

Well, taking a look at our grid, the CEOs of Garmin and Spot are shaking hands. A rare moment where they're coming together, actually. The competitors are. Yeah, they're very happy with that ruling. Good job. Good job.


On the technology front, I do want to invite all of our listeners and our sister to participate now in the second sip. Ooh, right. Because it's that part of the podcast where we have a second sip.


Justin Housman

00:26:02.245 - 00:26:06.005

God, that's good. Really bananay, this one. So much banana.


Colin True

00:26:06.125 - 00:26:07.813

The pineapple is really coming through in this.


Justin Housman

00:26:07.909 - 00:26:09.605

God, I love pineapple. You a pineapple fan?


Colin True

00:26:09.685 - 00:26:12.277

I love pineapple. I didn't know when I was a kid, and now I can't get enough of it.


Justin Housman

00:26:12.301 - 00:26:18.185

It's weird, you know, it's great. If you get those little dole, those little, like, those little mini cans, the six packs, you basically are in Hawaii.


Colin True

00:26:18.645 - 00:26:20.661

That's just what it tastes like. This is what Hawaii tastes like.


Justin Housman

00:26:20.693 - 00:26:27.321

Because I, when I go to Hawaii, I always buy them. I always get a little thing. First thing I get my little deal of pineapple juice. Just feels right.


Colin True

00:26:27.433 - 00:26:47.365

Well, our last piece of gear is one that people may not consider, but maybe they should. If you're using a version of this gear, there's a chance you may prefer the upgrade to the original. Of what, what. Of what this particular gear is.


And so that with that in mind. Justin, are electric coolers overrated, underrated or properly rated?


Justin Housman

00:26:47.945 - 00:26:53.875

By electric coolers, folks, we do mean, you know, like the Dometic. Is that the one?


Colin True

00:26:53.915 - 00:26:54.995

Is there, is there another one?


Justin Housman

00:26:55.035 - 00:27:03.579

There's other brands, but like, yeah, you know, we're, we're talking about the, the electric cooler or an electric fridge. And this has been kind of.


Colin True

00:27:03.627 - 00:27:11.339

And obviously like a camp cooler. We're not talking about like the cooler you might like have in your garage or your basement. No, no, not a refrigerator.


Justin Housman

00:27:11.387 - 00:27:28.727

This is one that you're taking camping. So I would, I. I've gone all over the place with these. I got so excited about them for a while and I just. Unless if you are living the van life.


Life and you are in your Sprinter for a really long time, don't come.


Colin True

00:27:28.751 - 00:27:29.951

Talking to us then. If you're doing that.


Justin Housman

00:27:29.983 - 00:28:38.981

Yeah, you're in the wrong. Listen to the wrong pod for one. But there.


I just cannot think of a single use case where I was happier that I had an electric cooler than I was just a really good ice chest. So I have gotten rid of mine. I've had two different ones. They work fine.


There's nothing wrong with them except the massive pain in the ass it takes to like, you know, you, you have to like run.


You have to, you either have to have a separate battery for or you have to have like a system where you have like a pass through charge thing where you're getting battery power from your car and it's going into this and it's going into a portable power generator thing. Like there's steps involved so that you can like run it off of your car Again.


If you have like a big built out van, you have a dedicated separate battery just running all of your shit, that's fine, right? But man, it is just so nice to just have a freaking ice chest. You just get some ice, you just throw some ice in there. It's no big deal.


It's not plugged in anything. You have to think about it. You don't have to worry about whether or not it's drawing too much power or not enough power.


You don't have to lug a separate battery around. It is just. And they're wildly expensive. I mean, to get a good one, you're looking. Well, you get.


You can get some that are, like, only a few hundred bucks, but for the most part, you're paying 8, 900 bucks for, like, a good.


Colin True

00:28:39.013 - 00:28:40.149

Yeah, I'm looking at this now.


Justin Housman

00:28:40.197 - 00:28:40.381

There's.


Colin True

00:28:40.413 - 00:28:45.685

I mean, definitely there are some ones that are calling themselves electric in, like, the $100 range. I can't imagine those.


Justin Housman

00:28:45.765 - 00:28:46.661

There's no way they.


Colin True

00:28:46.813 - 00:28:56.053

I will say, though, Dometic, obviously, is the dominant brand, but then the one. The other one that popped up in a sponsor result bought electric coolers. Like, that's a great name.


Justin Housman

00:28:56.149 - 00:30:29.065

Dometic, by the way, kicks ass. Their stuff is really good. And, like, if you own an rv, if you own a proper rv, you probably have Dometic stuff. Like, before, I.


I didn't realize this, but, you know, when I first started hearing about Dometic, it was in the outdoor space. But they've been making, like. They've been making, you know, like, furnishings for, like, RVs for a long time.


Toilets and sinks and all that sort of stuff. So they know what they're doing, and their stuff is great. I mean, the. It's a nice experience.


I mean, the upside to having one is nothing is wet, right? Like, that's really, you know, nothing. Nothing gets wet. And you don't have to buy ice. That's the only upside, though, folks.


Like, that's not a big upside. I mean, for one thing, you lose two crucial things. One, buying ice is dope. That's how you know you're going camping. Like.


Like, I never buy ice and getting firewood, you know? Yeah, I never buy ice unless I'm going camping. And it's just like, hell, yeah, dude, getting some ice. I'm all beaming about it. Like, everyone's.


Oh, what are you. Where are you going? Yeah, I'm going, like, always. That's epic.


Plus, often I'll be stopping at some store I wouldn't stop at normally, some town I'll never go to again. And it's like, now I get to have a little moment. I like that. Two, name a more satisfying thing than pulling a beer out of a.


Out of a slushy ice ice chest. When you're hot as hell, it's all wet, you put it on your face. Oh, my God. That's a wonderful thing. Yeah.


You might not seal your salami and you Might get water in it and it might be all gray and funky and. Yeah, you know, the, after a week of camping, the, the cooler smells awful. You just, you rinse it out, you dry it.


You know what, so does an electric one. You know, it's a lot easier and weigh a lot. Even a heavy ass yeti weighs way less than like a Dometic does.


So you just pull that sucker out, rinse it out, let it dry in the sun. Good to go.


Colin True

00:30:29.525 - 00:30:32.117

So you say, well, so then what's your rating here? Are you saying.


Justin Housman

00:30:32.181 - 00:31:01.401

Oh, I'm sorry. I am sorry. You're right. Yeah, they're way overrated. I would never again. Unless you're building out a van life thing.


I situation where it makes sense to not have to deal with like pulling it out and getting ice and it's going to be in there permanently. Fine, get an electric one. But if you just have a truck, if you just have a car, like I ran mine in our Subaru for a long time thinking I was hotter.


This is some I'm hot shit, man. Oh, you got ice. Look at this. It's all dry. No, like, ice chest is just better in every possible way.


There's no, there's no use case where it makes more sense to have an electric cooler. No.


Colin True

00:31:01.513 - 00:31:40.605

I would say to the people who want to get it for your campsite and like are going like the snow peak route of like we're going like super bougie, you know, camping, like, good on you.


Like, I don't think anyone should, like, if that's what you want to do, like, and you're not like worried about and you want to have just like set up like this awesome outdoor experience. I got you. But I think Justin's right to this regard. And I'm not a big camper, obviously.


I've talked about it a lot on this podcast and our other podcasts. But if I show up at a campsite, yeah, I want a big ass cooler full of ice.


I want to, I want to put my hand in or get the beer that I want or whatever drink it is at the bottom of the cooler and my hands numb before it even hits the bottom of the cooler. I want that experience. You want to pull your food out of there, all that stuff. I agree with that for sure.


Justin Housman

00:31:40.645 - 00:32:26.367

I mean, I guess the, like, if you are going to be in a place like Baja and you're not going to be able to get ice and you're going to be there for two weeks, well, there you go. You know, there's A use case, you know, but.


And in that case I would bring, you know, I have like big battery power station thing and I'd bring that and I'd bring. And I'd bring like a Dometic, I guess. But I've also been to Baja for two weeks with just ice chests and it's been fine.


So, you know, it kind of depends. But. Yeah, I just, it just, I'm not a fan of complicating things that don't need to be complicated.


And I get why people think they're cool, but you're just, you're adding a whole lot of complication where there doesn't need to be any. And you're not, it's. You're. You're also not saving yourself any energy or time, so.


Colin True

00:32:26.471 - 00:32:31.479

Well, it's a nuanced thing though because like when you and I went camping and you had your Dometic, like little water pump things, we could fill our water bottles.


Justin Housman

00:32:31.527 - 00:32:32.479

Well, that's different.


Colin True

00:32:32.647 - 00:32:40.183

I do, I think that is like, that's a worthy investment of my. That was so nice and convenient. So we could just get a drink or rinse your hands off real quick or whatever. It was like. I love that.


Justin Housman

00:32:40.239 - 00:32:54.207

So Colin's talking about this little, this little thing Dometic makes where it attaches to their, to their, to the water tanks that they make too. And you just give it a little tap, tap right there on the top. So.


And like it, you know, it's like, it's like filling your, your water bottle up at the airport or whatever.


Colin True

00:32:54.271 - 00:32:54.679

Yeah.


Justin Housman

00:32:54.767 - 00:33:39.075

Just hold it underneath it. It fills it up and it's nice.


It's nice because you got, if you got guts on your hands because you're cleaning fish or hunting or whatever, like you just kind of, you can do it. A little elbow tap. You don't have to like fumble around with like greasy dirty hands on a. Whatever else your water system is like. That's dope.


Dometic stuff is great. And like the, you know, the little conveniences at camp can be really nice. I just don't find this to be particularly convenient.


The other thing too is when I go camping, I like to take all the stuff out of my truck and like put it at my campsite, you know. And so if I don't, if I have a big giant Dometic in the backseat, because I usually keep my ice chest in the backseat.


I don't have space for stuff, you know, and like, so I take the ice chest out and just throw on the campsite and then I'm out of here, you know. And so it's another thing you got now you have this thing more or less permanently in your rig while you're going around. No, thank you.


Colin True

00:33:39.935 - 00:33:50.687

Well, I'm taking a look at the grid and actually while we were talking the Dometic CEO just threw down his headset, stormed off the set. So he's a little sad about this ruling for the.


Justin Housman

00:33:50.751 - 00:33:54.035

No, but we pop. But we pumped up the little faucet.


Colin True

00:33:54.455 - 00:33:55.943

He has electric coolers to sell.


Justin Housman

00:33:55.999 - 00:34:28.573

Bro. Bro. We love the other. You know what?


I surfed this weekend and I've just finally given in and like we talked so much about how like idiosyncratic and like bizarre surf, like surf culture is. I would only ever use like old plastic water bottles for water because that's what I grew up with. That's like what, you know, whatever.


Like that to me is like, that's the coolest thing. And if you saw anybody with like a purpose built like water jug thing, you're like, yeah, poser.


And now I've finally just given up and I choose my dometic tanks because they're just or whatever, they're to rinse.


Colin True

00:34:28.589 - 00:34:29.733

You off your feet and stuff like that.


Justin Housman

00:34:29.829 - 00:34:36.263

Yeah, just tip it over side open the valve, rinses your feet off all nice. It's great. Like they don't slide around the truck. They're perfect. And I'm just like, that's the best.


Colin True

00:34:36.279 - 00:34:38.895

Part of getting older is you really stop giving a fuck about a lot of different things.


Justin Housman

00:34:38.975 - 00:34:42.511

Yeah, this works better than what my other system. I'm going to go ahead and use this. I don't care how it looks.


Colin True

00:34:42.583 - 00:34:48.215

Yeah, well, let's run it down. We had our. We decided that four wheel drive, completely overrated.


Justin Housman

00:34:48.295 - 00:34:50.007

Not completely overrated.


Colin True

00:34:50.071 - 00:35:04.231

Excuse me. Overrated. Except in the instances when you have to have four wheel drive. Four wheel drive in everyday life. Overrated.


Our satellite messaging properly, or probably even underrated in some regards, but definitely, at least everyone agrees that it's an important thing.


Justin Housman

00:35:04.303 - 00:35:04.977

Yes.


Colin True

00:35:05.151 - 00:35:08.597

And then lastly, electric coolers. Very overrated.


Justin Housman

00:35:08.661 - 00:35:09.573

Very overrated.


Colin True

00:35:09.669 - 00:35:10.765

That's the ruling for all time.


Justin Housman

00:35:10.805 - 00:35:25.533

I just saved you so much money. Like if you just tuned into this and you're like, I've got like ten grand lying around and I'm about to go hog wild at REI and Toyota.


You like you don't need four wheeler. These are expensive items and you don't need that electric cooler.


Colin True

00:35:25.629 - 00:35:35.757

Well, it is a good point about the upside and what you're getting for like you talk about if you're going to spend a little money on a nice luxury item. The water pump thing that you're talking about from Dometic. There's a lot of uses there. It makes a lot of sense for it.


Justin Housman

00:35:35.781 - 00:35:36.061

Yeah.


Colin True

00:35:36.133 - 00:35:46.789

If you're gonna camp for one to three nights, is it worth a thousand dollars for an electric cooler versus just getting, like a couple extra bags of ice for a buck 99 at the gas station? I mean, come on.


Justin Housman

00:35:46.877 - 00:36:00.185

And again, you lose out on that magic experience of like, where's your. Hey, where do you keep the ice? Just like, God, you just always feel so joyful buying ice. I mean, it's not everybody.


I'm sure people buy ice for lots of reasons that I don't ever think of, but, man, I just love it. Just walking in, hey, where do you keep your ice?


Colin True

00:36:01.455 - 00:36:03.655

Well, let's have our final sip and cheers to the.


Justin Housman

00:36:03.735 - 00:36:04.255

Oh, yeah.


Colin True

00:36:04.335 - 00:36:05.887

To the ice, I guess.


Justin Housman

00:36:06.031 - 00:36:06.527

Sure.


Colin True

00:36:06.631 - 00:36:07.351

Cheers, buddy.


Justin Housman

00:36:07.423 - 00:36:08.115

Cheers.


Colin True

00:36:10.575 - 00:36:12.455

Oh, yeah. That is delightful.


Justin Housman

00:36:12.535 - 00:36:15.315

Really good job throwing down two more of those tonight.


Colin True

00:36:15.975 - 00:36:27.697

All right, well, we can wrap it up there. We'd like to thank you for listening to this episode of gear and beer, which is a pro. Which is a production of Rock Flight llc.


Anything to add for our game over under properly rated?


Justin Housman

00:36:27.881 - 00:36:40.713

No. No. I just bet that just because. Just because we say something might be overrated doesn't mean you can't have the things that you want. We're not.


We're not. You know, we're not.


Colin True

00:36:40.809 - 00:36:42.097

Doesn't make us wrong, though.


Justin Housman

00:36:42.201 - 00:36:56.947

It doesn't make us wrong. I've never been wrong. I've never been wrong. But, you know, it just.


It just means that, like, you probably, if you want to have it, just admit to yourself you want to have it because you think it looks cool or it is cool and you just want a cool thing.


Colin True

00:36:57.091 - 00:37:08.055

We'll come back next week for the beginning of the Housman era here on on gear and beer. It's a very exciting time and we'll right now what we're going to do, we're going to play the gear and beer theme song and we'll see you next time.


Chris DeMakes

00:37:13.195 - 00:38:00.285

We have experienced lots of talent. Just like you're with your pals out on the trail. We review outdoor adventure gear, pair it with the perfect beer. Now let the games begin.


So glad that you're here at the break. The pudding, the trailhead. We're going to crack open the cooler and in five a beverage when we and celebrate our wins. Those losses we hold so close.


The bottom line here is you'll get the berries that matter most. Kieran beer. Kieran beer.


Justin Housman

00:38:06.465 - 00:38:08.385

Run. Right, play.

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