Today Colin & Justin belatedly talk about stories and headlines to come out of the outdoor adventure community. Belatedly because the flu recently landed right on Justin's handsome face!
On the docket:
Last weekend there were protests held at National Parks across the country. Are we feeling encouraged about the state of things? (06:03)
A non profit in Kentucky purchased 700 acres and 14 miles of cliffline to establish new climbing areas. Is this a road map for when our public lands are sold off? (10:10)
We debut a new segment presented by Obōz: Q&A Corner! Where we ask the questions and listeners send in their responses. This week: Do branded athletes really matter anymore? Send your responses to myrockfight@gmail.com. (20:43)
A man who spent the past five months attempting to row from San Diego to Brisbane had to be rescued after getting caught in a cyclone. This may be the scariest outdoor thing ever. (31:18)
It's time for The Parting Shot! This week Justin has stern words for his favorite author and Colin celebrates a study that celebrates swearing! (36:30)
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Episode Transcript
Colin True
00:00:00.240 - 00:00:50.006
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Chris DeMakes
00:00:50.118 - 00:00:57.650
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Colin True
00:00:58.410 - 00:01:14.322
Welcome to the Rock Byte, where we speak our truth, slay sacred cows, and sometimes agree to disagree. This is an outdoor podcast that aims for the head.
I'm Colin True, and joining me today, I'm pretty sure that after this past week, he's just a zombie now. It's Justin Hausman, folks.
Justin Housman
00:01:14.466 - 00:01:19.150
Get your flu shot. Get it? Even if you've already had your flu shot, go out, get another one.
Colin True
00:01:19.530 - 00:01:21.394
You're starting off with your parting shot.
Justin Housman
00:01:21.442 - 00:01:34.644
This is the first year in like 10 years I haven't gotten the flu shot. And it's the first year in about 10 years I got the flu and I forgot how bad it is. Jesus Christ. I've been basically sleeping for four days straight.
I've watched Ghostbusters.
Colin True
00:01:34.692 - 00:01:39.300
Yep, you're getting this episode late this week because, Justin, you couldn't talk yesterday.
Justin Housman
00:01:39.460 - 00:01:53.028
Even just sitting up was asking too much. I will say, I think of all the things I've watched, I was surprised by Ghostbusters, Frozen Empire as being relatively enjoyable.
Now, granted, this is all having a fever, but I actually was surprised how much I liked that movie.
Colin True
00:01:53.124 - 00:01:56.906
So I might actually watch it now because I just assumed I would never see that movie.
Justin Housman
00:01:56.938 - 00:02:10.890
Yeah, me too. I didn't see the one the first. I didn't realize there were two Paul Rudd Ghostbusters movies until this week.
And I haven't seen the first one, Ghostbusters Afterlife. But I actually was surprised how much I enjoyed this one. And like Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray and they do, they do great. So is Winston. I forget his.
I forget the actor's name.
Colin True
00:02:11.010 - 00:02:12.586
Winston's Ernie Hudson.
Justin Housman
00:02:12.618 - 00:02:32.294
Yeah, thank you. Ernie Hudson. They all do great. And it's actually really enjoyable. So that was that, you know, it was 4am when I watched it.
But that I, I liked that and I enjoyed Please don't destroy that new comedy troupe that does their movie with Conan O'Brien. It was, it was pretty fun. I like that too. Something about the treasure of like Foggy Mountain. That was, that was pretty fun.
Colin True
00:02:32.462 - 00:02:46.470
My. For one of my 14 year olds. She is really into movies. She likes a lot of old movies. We really kind of bond on movies together.
But she's also at that age where everything's good. Oh, dad. Ghostbusters, Frozen, Empire. It was the best movie. And I'm like, there's no way that was the best movie.
Justin Housman
00:02:46.550 - 00:03:09.746
No, it was, it was. It was actually pretty fun. It was pretty fun. Paul Rudd. Paul Rudd is getting kind of. He's cash sacred to me. Like, he's just like. I kind of.
I'm kind of over Paul Rudd, but he's very Paul Rudd. But he's not even. He's not. He's in it a lot, but he's not even really. I wouldn't even say he's like the driving like star of the, of the movie. The.
The kid from Stranger Things is in is. Does it kind of carries it. I forget his name.
Colin True
00:03:09.898 - 00:03:16.658
But they, they just basically say, hey rud, here's like 10 to 20 million bucks. Like turn up. The Rudness basically is probably what happens, right?
Justin Housman
00:03:16.714 - 00:03:16.994
Yeah.
Colin True
00:03:17.042 - 00:03:17.950
He's like, all right.
Justin Housman
00:03:18.090 - 00:03:38.486
I thought it was. It would be kind of fun if they made another one.
And it was super self referential and like it turns out that Paul Rudd doesn't age because he's actually a ghost. That. I was thinking of that as I was watching it. Granted, it's pretty good. Pretty high fever at the time.
But I was like, it is wild that he's like 55 years old and he looks the same as he did 20 years ago. And it's like, that would be pretty funny if there's like, wait a minute.
Colin True
00:03:38.558 - 00:03:43.270
Well, in order for you to see that sequel, you'll have to get the flu again. So hopefully you never get to see that sequel.
Justin Housman
00:03:43.350 - 00:03:48.580
Who doesn't look the same is Bill Murray. Boy, he looks like an elderly gentleman at this point.
Colin True
00:03:49.040 - 00:04:28.520
He's an old guy. I saw him on SNL50. But anyway, Justin's back in the saddle. He's a little weaker than usual, but. But he's still going to bring it today.
And today we are going to talk about some interesting items have come out of the outdoor adventure community over the past few days and weeks.
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Justin Housman
00:04:28.560 - 00:04:30.520
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Colin True
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Colin True
00:05:33.474 - 00:05:40.168
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Justin Housman
00:05:40.354 - 00:05:50.076
That's. Wait, wait, wait. Because Apple Podcast is free, I guess.
Okay, for a split second, I thought maybe we were paying for like Apple music and Spotify at the same time, which would be totally bizarre.
Colin True
00:05:50.108 - 00:05:52.924
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Colin True
00:06:03.060 - 00:06:58.436
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So this past weekend, from Acadia in Maine to Joshua Tree in Southern California, protests were held at our national parks to speak out against actions taken by the Trump administration and commented on frequently here on the Rock fight. Most specifically the mass layoffs of national park staff.
I mean Justin, when you saw that just before I actually before I ask you that, I didn't know that was going on. I literally didn't know these protests were going on. I would have gone up the Joshua Tree and joined in.
I think it was Steven Casimiro who posted about it. I'm like awesome.
And then started to see all the news about all the other places that this was going on, which actually I thought it was cool that I didn't really know this was going on and that it's like boom, it hit and protests everywhere. I'm like this is great. So I was encouraged. I mean were you encouraged seeing this go down this past weekend?
Justin Housman
00:06:58.548 - 00:07:11.300
I guess I'm encouraged because it's cool to see that people care and that people will rally for this sort of thing. I'm not encouraged by what's going on.
I mean also just yesterday they announced closures of like, I don't like 20 different national park unit facilities. I don't know if you saw about, if you saw that.
Colin True
00:07:11.340 - 00:07:13.588
I did not see this one. Are we breaking news here? What happened?
Justin Housman
00:07:13.684 - 00:07:37.568
Not really huge, but like from basically across everywhere from Alaska to like Florida, they announced that they want to close like 20 different. It's not necessarily park units, it's like a facility center here or something here.
But they're like, you know, important because it's like something is served from that building. You know, I think one of them is like the only national park unit in Mississippi is getting closed.
Colin True
00:07:37.664 - 00:07:41.744
Poor Mississippi. Is there any more beaten down state Mississippi?
Justin Housman
00:07:41.792 - 00:08:33.704
I mean it's hard to be encouraged by that, to be encouraged by anything going on with national parks. But it is great to see that people care. I mean, I Just don't know what's going to happen.
There was a really interesting piece in the Guardian earlier this week that. Well, I don't want to get too deep into the weeds of politics. I'll just mention this.
That makes it seem as though it doesn't really matter what people do, because the GOP at an individual level, the congresspeople are terrified for their lives if they vote against anything that the administration wants to do because the followers will come after them. And so it's like, well, great, you can have all the protests on earth, but that might not move the needle.
So I don't know, it'll be interesting to, I mean, obviously be interesting to see what's going on, encouraged by the fact that people are going to stand up and fight for these places. And it just show, you know, it's.
It the what the real, the real discouraging part is it's like we're gonna have so much work to do once this, like, once we finally like rid ourselves of the scourge, you know, I.
Colin True
00:08:33.712 - 00:09:09.012
Think we gotta go through it though. I think. I think we had a. We almost had like a stay of execution with, with the break in Trump presidencies.
And even if he had lost this time, that was. We are gonna have to go through this at some point.
I think there' people out there who think that he was truly going to come in and like make things better and they need to feel the pain of what they're going to. What they're. What we are all going to endure. And this is beyond the national parks, right?
This is everything else that's going to happen and that's how it gets. That's how we put it in the past. I almost feel like we have to kind of. Kind of.
It's like Andy Defrain climbing through 500 yards of smell and found us only to come out clean on the other side. I think we need to have our Andy Defrain moment here.
Justin Housman
00:09:09.036 - 00:09:16.258
Yeah, maybe. I. But it also, you know, there's a very good chance that it'll be impossible to claw back some of these losses. You know, I don't know. We'll find out.
Colin True
00:09:16.314 - 00:09:18.514
It probably is. There will be some. We'll find out on the way, but.
Justin Housman
00:09:18.522 - 00:09:42.072
It also could mean that we emerge more protective of the places that we have. I don't know. I really. I truthfully don't know, but definitely stoked to see people doing it. I almost bought the mountain. The Mountain Gazette is. Is.
Is very at rogue, man. Very smartly cashing in on. I Don't know if you've seen, but they're, you know, they're selling shirts now with the.
An image of the upside down flag on El Capita. Pretty smart. I wish I would have thought of that for us, to be honest.
Colin True
00:09:42.216 - 00:09:51.368
Well, we actually had a listener reach out that he's making stickers that say it's an illustration. Of course, the flag on ocap, it says, keep your tiny hands off of our public land.
Justin Housman
00:09:51.424 - 00:10:01.000
That's great. See, that's wonderful. Yeah, I actually like that better.
I would have bought one if it didn't have the Mountain Gazette logo on it and it's pretty expensive. But I mean, that stuff all makes me happy, you know.
Colin True
00:10:01.120 - 00:10:01.816
Yeah, right.
Justin Housman
00:10:01.888 - 00:10:09.580
And so, you know, I don't know. I have faith in human beings, you know, like, I'm optimistic about that. I'm encouraged about how people are reacting, for sure.
Colin True
00:10:10.040 - 00:10:56.124
Well, another bit of encouraging and interesting conservation news.
According to gearjunkie.com this past week, the Red River Gorgeous Climbing Coalition, which is a non profit dedicated to protecting climbing access in the famous Kentucky climbing area. They acquired 700 acres and 14 miles of cliffline for $1.7 million.
When the land became available, the coalition was eager to pursue buying it, but the price tag made it seem out of reach. But through partnerships and loans, along with the public support to help repay those loans, they were able to get it done.
And now this area will feature an entirely new climbing area. They're going to expand climbing in this area.
Now, I know it's not a one for one because this wasn't a piece of public lands, but is this maybe, is this a bit of a roadmap to combat the selling off of our public lands? It's like, hey, all right, everybody looks like, okay, we'll buy it. Yeah, we'll compete with the oil companies.
Justin Housman
00:10:56.212 - 00:11:32.260
It's interesting.
I mean, this is kind of a fever dream for like old school conservatism, right, where you're just like the, you know, the government doesn't have anything to say over this sort of thing. Like people come to, together to put their own money in and buy stuff that matters to them.
I mean, like in some ways, in some, like weird, like purely on paper, where you just sort of eliminate human greed and like instinct, all these sorts of things, which is as far as I'm concerned, how conservatives like to live, you know, where you just, you just like you.
I could see the argument for this, right, that, that this is, this kind of, in some ways makes more sense because now not everybody is paying for A place that they may not.
Colin True
00:11:32.720 - 00:11:40.180
The problem is it's not going to be fair. Right. It's going to be like, we're going to put this up for sale, and then you're going to say, I'm going to buy it. Like, no, it's all right.
We're going to have these oil companies buy it.
Justin Housman
00:11:40.220 - 00:12:44.002
Well, that's what's going to happen eventually. Right? So, like, clearly this land wasn't valuable for anything other than climbing. So, like, that the problem is going to.
As soon as, like, for some reason something is more valuable than for something else, there's some sort of resource that can be extracted from it, you know, big pocket people will come in and buy and leave us with nothing. So that. I mean, there's the problem. But I think this kind of thing is really interesting. I think it's certainly an option for.
I mean, I don't know, like, what would be kind of neat is if, like, I don't. I don't even. I can't even think of a good example. But, like, if there were.
I don't know, if there were, like, areas of public lands that would be really good for one particular purpose, like mountain biking, for example, where you can't mountain bike now. And, like, mountain bike groups got together and, like, bought it and, like, built trails on it, that kind of.
And they didn't have to worry as much about, like, federally, like, you know, getting all through all the red tape of, like, federal bureaucracy in terms of environmental reviews and all that sort of stuff. Right.
But these are people that really care about the land and care about that area and, like, somehow know that building trails on isn't going to harm anything. Like, that's. That. I don't hate that. Like, that seems. That makes a lot of sense to me, you know?
Colin True
00:12:44.186 - 00:13:02.610
Yeah.
So I think the problem is when you go down that road, like, what if, like, your favorite spot up in the Sierra, that's on BLM land where you camp a lot, like, became available and, like, sweet, I'm gonna buy it. And then you can just be like, fuck everybody. Stay off of my land. You shut it down and no one else gets to use it again. Right.
But I do like the idea that, like, hey, the rock fight could buy a big parcel of land, like, out in, like, the desert or something like that.
Justin Housman
00:13:02.650 - 00:13:19.266
Yeah, I mean, it's. It's. It's. It's an interesting solution, potentially, depending on how it works, you know, like, are they going to charge you to come on to it?
I don't know. Are there, are they liable for people falling, hurting themselves?
I don't know how that's any of that would work, but I'm willing to have an open mind about that kind of thing. Absolutely.
Colin True
00:13:19.458 - 00:13:27.458
If you're a climber though, in Kentucky, how stoked are you right now? Like you're. The local climber coalition bought 14 miles of cliffline, so they're just going to develop it for more climbing.
Justin Housman
00:13:27.554 - 00:13:32.856
Did you. I haven't looked into this. Like was it used for climbing before? Like what was it, what was the land used for?
Colin True
00:13:33.008 - 00:14:04.316
I mean this, the Red River's gorge is a famous climbing area. So like it's, it's a. Either adjacent or part of that. I think it's just a section of it. I must. Maybe I.
And I don't know if there was relationships with private ownership so people could climb on it. What, what the story was.
There just, it's been a few years that this area came available and I think they immediately saw it like as an opportunity and it just, you know, obviously took time to kind of figure it out. So.
And I imagine to your point, there was not like a larger use for it, otherwise someone probably would have gobbled it up much more quickly because, you know, 700 acres for 1.7 million bucks. I'm sure to some people that doesn't seem like a lot of money for that amount, amount of land.
Justin Housman
00:14:04.388 - 00:14:08.440
So especially, I mean Kentucky has a lot of beautiful areas.
Colin True
00:14:08.820 - 00:14:14.636
Yeah, totally. But if you're like a non profit climbing organization, that's a lot of money. Right? So how do you figure it out? I'm just glad they did.
Such a cool story.
Justin Housman
00:14:14.708 - 00:15:18.714
Well, we have a couple little.
I mean this is probably pretty common in areas that are adjacent to rural zones, but we have a couple little, little just like small acreages kind of like abutting our town where I live that are like up for sale and they kind of have been for like a really long time. And the owner doesn't live around here and people use it like, and the owners like just don't do anything stupid basically. So like people use it.
There's mountain bike trails on it, there's hiking trails on it. People go up there and like this. The town has tried to put money together to buy some of these before. I don't know why necessarily.
Like, I'm not sure what they would do with it other than maybe making it a public park. But at that point then now all of a sudden you're like, well, you're probably not gonna be able to bikes on it anymore.
And like all these, all these more formal rules start to come into place and it's like, well, that's kind of nice just how it is.
Like, you know, so I mean, as much as I'm, you know, very much, you know, staunch, like old fashioned liberal Democrat, like, I, there's times where like not having, you know, state ownership of things kind of works out really nicely. So I, I don't know, you could.
Colin True
00:15:18.722 - 00:15:25.958
Buy it and then what is it? Justin Khan or Kona Khan? What was it we said last year, the, the, the alternative of the sea otter that you were going to do you remember?
Justin Housman
00:15:26.014 - 00:15:28.406
Oh my God, I do remember that. No, I don't remember what it was called.
Colin True
00:15:28.478 - 00:15:34.278
That's where you can hold it, be great houseman, kind get up here and go mountain biking on, on Justin's private land.
Justin Housman
00:15:34.334 - 00:15:54.906
I'm not an idiot though. I realize.
I realize, of course the problem with this sort of thing is that like, if you just open the floodgates to anybody doing whatever they want, all of a sudden things get destroyed real, real fast and there's no common, like, you know, management strategy for particular areas and it fucks everything up. I, believe me, I realize this, but it's sort of your fever dream. Oh, it'd be nice if I could ride bikes over there.
This sort of thing does make sense.
Colin True
00:15:55.098 - 00:16:11.498
Yeah. On face value, privatization makes a ton of sense. It's like, hey, turn it up. Have somebody privately run it.
They'll be invested in maintaining it and making money from it and they'll do all the right things because of that. Just then when you start peeling back that onion, you realize like, oh, actually a lot of bad shit can happen here, so maybe not so good.
Justin Housman
00:16:11.554 - 00:16:24.260
Yeah, yeah, well, we're good. You know, we're only, let's see, modern humans evolved about 150,000 years ago, roughly speaking. I mean, we still don't know how to share.
We're still, we still just don't.
Colin True
00:16:24.340 - 00:16:26.196
As evidenced by the two toddlers in your house.
Justin Housman
00:16:26.268 - 00:16:44.676
Totally. You know, it's like, like, I'd love to. Gotta be nice. If you could somehow. I don't know how this would work, but if you could somehow.
Well, I guess if you were a God, you could sort of could just sit back and like watch like, humans evolve. Like, are we better now than we used to be? I doubt it, frankly.
I think human nature is probably human nature and people still suck just as much as they always have.
Colin True
00:16:44.828 - 00:16:49.402
But I'm sure we've evolved to a certain degree and learn and behaviors have changed.
Justin Housman
00:16:49.466 - 00:17:04.950
I think if you're comfortable, maybe, but not if you're uncomfortable. Right. Then it just becomes every man for himself. I gotta. I gotta feed my. Myself and my family or whatever. But it would. It's just.
It's just like we just can't. We just still can't. And I don't know they'll ever be able to. It's really.
Colin True
00:17:05.730 - 00:17:07.850
Maybe. Guess what? We won't be here to find out.
Justin Housman
00:17:07.890 - 00:17:09.098
We are not gonna be here to find out.
Colin True
00:17:09.154 - 00:17:10.234
Good luck, future humans.
Justin Housman
00:17:10.282 - 00:17:10.602
Yeah.
Colin True
00:17:10.666 - 00:17:20.976
Yeah, actually, we're not gonna. Justin and I are applying for a spot on the International Space Station to get the hell off this planet. I think we could podcast up there.
We'll just be able up in space, zipping around, doing podcasts.
Justin Housman
00:17:21.088 - 00:17:27.376
My fear would be we'd have a lot less to talk about because, you know, we wouldn't see much or do much. We'd run out of things like, hey.
Colin True
00:17:27.488 - 00:17:28.832
Like, you know, looked out the window.
Justin Housman
00:17:28.896 - 00:17:45.216
Yeah, here's what anti gravity does to the treadmill. This, that, or the other substance. And once we kind of ran through all those substances, we could. We could test.
I don't know what else we'd talk about. I mean, we'd probably get really good at like. Like peeing at stuff, right? Like, because you're like.
Because, I mean, I'd be so curious how that worked. Like, if you just like, let her. Let her fly like an orbit.
Colin True
00:17:45.248 - 00:17:46.016
Let her rip or whatever.
Justin Housman
00:17:46.048 - 00:17:46.416
Like what?
Colin True
00:17:46.488 - 00:17:48.128
Yell like, dude, I ran into your piss again.
Justin Housman
00:17:48.184 - 00:17:50.236
Does it. It like corkscrew? Like what?
Colin True
00:17:50.308 - 00:17:51.612
I think it just goes everywhere.
Justin Housman
00:17:51.676 - 00:17:52.012
Yeah.
Colin True
00:17:52.076 - 00:17:56.140
Yeah. All right, well, that segment. Sorry about that garage drone gear was brought to you.
Justin Housman
00:17:56.180 - 00:17:56.348
Sorry.
Colin True
00:17:56.364 - 00:17:59.900
That sorry gear. Who has all wonder these things too.
Justin Housman
00:17:59.940 - 00:18:01.692
Lloyd's probably been thinking about this sort of stuff.
Colin True
00:18:01.756 - 00:18:32.190
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Justin Housman
00:18:32.230 - 00:18:33.982
Is it. Can I guess?
Colin True
00:18:34.126 - 00:18:34.446
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:18:34.478 - 00:18:40.542
Is it Norda? It is, yes. Good for them. Good. I talked to Lloyd a little bit about that. I wasn't sure if it was going to happen.
Colin True
00:18:40.726 - 00:18:43.726
I have my first pair of. I have my Norda's coming on the way too. I'm getting a pair of nordis.
Justin Housman
00:18:43.758 - 00:18:44.782
Oh, nice. Which ones do you know?
Colin True
00:18:44.806 - 00:18:46.922
Yeah.002s.
Justin Housman
00:18:47.026 - 00:18:49.290
Okay. I have the ones and the twos, I think.
Colin True
00:18:49.410 - 00:18:51.482
Okay. The twos are a little lower profile. Midsole.
Justin Housman
00:18:51.546 - 00:18:52.186
Yep. That's right. Yep.
Colin True
00:18:52.218 - 00:18:52.746
Compared to the ones.
Justin Housman
00:18:52.778 - 00:19:00.470
Yeah, yeah. God. And you forgive me? You haven't tried them ever, right? No. Oh, I can't wait to hear. I hope you hate them because they'll be fun to talk about.
Colin True
00:19:01.010 - 00:19:01.722
It's a good point.
Justin Housman
00:19:01.746 - 00:19:01.946
Yeah.
Colin True
00:19:01.978 - 00:19:05.594
All right. We'll only talk about the podcast. We promise we'll only talk about the podcast if I hate them.
Justin Housman
00:19:05.602 - 00:19:09.674
Well, because, I mean, I love them so much. And, you know, if you just saw. These are also great. That's not very interesting.
Colin True
00:19:09.722 - 00:19:10.650
But that's not like.
Justin Housman
00:19:10.690 - 00:19:10.954
Yeah.
Colin True
00:19:11.002 - 00:19:11.946
Love fest. Norda.
Justin Housman
00:19:11.978 - 00:19:12.186
Yeah.
Colin True
00:19:12.218 - 00:19:30.642
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We love hiking in a minute. But we're. Right now we're getting quite a bit of email from our listeners, which is awesome.
But in order to make the email we get more fun to read on the podcast. We're going to start asking our listeners questions. All right, so this is Q and A Corner.
We're going to talk about a topic, and then, listeners, you send us your responses to the questions we ask. Be sure to include your address, because if we read your response on a future episode of the Rock Fight, we'll send you Rock Fight stickers. Maybe.
Maybe make you a personalized Rock Fight action figure. I don't want to speak for producer Dave or Simon on that one, but.
Justin Housman
00:21:17.580 - 00:21:19.492
Get on it, Dave. Do it for the people.
Colin True
00:21:19.676 - 00:21:24.388
Because all of a sudden it's like, hey, Dave, you got those, like, 20 action figures we didn't tell you that you had to make.
Justin Housman
00:21:24.444 - 00:21:25.440
He loves it.
Colin True
00:21:26.620 - 00:21:27.860
Did you see this week's?
Justin Housman
00:21:27.940 - 00:21:30.886
No. Oh, the Pistol Ranger. Yeah, it's great.
Colin True
00:21:31.028 - 00:21:46.786
That was a good one. All right, so this week's question for Q and A Corner. And I've really been thinking about this a lot lately. Does anyone.
I think you and I have touched on this before, but even if so, I have some new thoughts. Does anyone actually care about sponsored athletes anymore? What do you think?
Justin Housman
00:21:46.938 - 00:21:47.490
What do you think?
Colin True
00:21:47.530 - 00:21:48.178
Does anyone care?
Justin Housman
00:21:48.234 - 00:21:51.762
What do you think, Colin? THE. I know what I think. What do you think?
Colin True
00:21:51.786 - 00:21:53.074
I know you don't know, but I.
Justin Housman
00:21:53.082 - 00:21:57.150
Mean, what do you think the listeners are gonna say? Like, what do you think that. What do you think the dominant response will be?
Colin True
00:21:57.450 - 00:22:35.072
I mean, I think it'll probably be split. I think there's going to be people who really get into it, because I think.
So I was having an exchange with one of the hosts over on the out of Collective podcast.
We were kind of joking back and forth on Instagram, and he was bringing up the point that he thinks that the ski athletes should have guaranteed contracts that, like, no matter what they place or how they do get the podium or not, they should be guaranteed money. And my contention is, like, outdoor athletes are an expense, right? They're not earning money for a brand.
So if the brand all of a sudden gets in tough times, it's like, yeah, we don't have money to pay you, so how can you have a guaranteed contract? This isn't like, like Josh Allen, who sold like, a thousand jerseys in a weekend, right?
And, like, there's money being brought in by their presence on the team.
Justin Housman
00:22:35.256 - 00:22:39.280
So then I think we need to reframe the. I think we need to restructure the question a little bit.
Colin True
00:22:39.400 - 00:22:40.180
Okay?
Justin Housman
00:22:40.760 - 00:23:19.558
Does anyone. I would say it's more like, does anyone actually care about the brand because they sponsor an athlete that you like.
Isn't that what you're really getting after? Because it's like, it is because. Because what?
The way that if you just say, care about sponsored athletes, that makes me think about, yeah, do I care about like famous or not famous necessarily, but you know, really talented people doing things that are really amazing and watching them do it. Yes, I do care. And they happen to be sponsored. I think people might get confused and be like, well, yeah, I love watching so and so ski. Right.
But like, do you care about Atomic Skis because so and so rides for them. That's the. Isn't that kind of what we're more getting at here?
Colin True
00:23:19.614 - 00:23:30.002
Kind of.
I mean, I think the thing that's changed is like, back in the day, like, even if, like you didn't whitewater kayak in the 90s, you still knew who Eric Jackson was or like, you knew who like Ned Overend was even if you weren't.
Justin Housman
00:23:30.066 - 00:23:32.306
And that's cool. There's nothing wrong. That's great. Yeah.
Colin True
00:23:32.418 - 00:23:56.452
But now I, I feel like it's getting more niche, right? Because like last week Mountain Hardware announced. What's her name? Liz Durstein. I don't know who Liz Durste is.
She's a new long distance hiker and trail runner who's joining the Mountain Hardware athlete team. Okay, but it's like, what does that really, no offense to Liz, I'm sure she's a wonderful athlete, but what does it do for the brand?
Who's going, ah, Hardware, they got Liz and now I'm gonna go shop.
Justin Housman
00:23:56.596 - 00:24:07.828
That's. But that's what I'm saying. Like, like, does it, does it, does brand's roster influence whether or not you like the brand more?
I mean, because that's the only reason they sponsor these.
Colin True
00:24:07.884 - 00:24:08.772
That's kind of what we're doing, right?
Justin Housman
00:24:08.796 - 00:24:11.972
Yeah, that's. I want to make sure that's what we're asking. Not like, I mean, does it work.
Colin True
00:24:11.996 - 00:24:25.344
For you on the surf side? Are there any brands, and I know this is a hard question for you because you and I are kind of aligned on this.
Like, I'm gonna buy what I want to buy regardless of who's on the athlete roster. But do you feel like there is a, an effect on a surf brand that is truly felt by the presence of their athlete?
Justin Housman
00:24:25.472 - 00:24:45.648
The only time I would say that, I think for younger surfers, probably it. I can tell you right now that it never really did for me.
But I also came of age in the 90s, in in the surf world, when it was extremely cool, like, Volcom was by far the coolest brand because they were anti, Anti establishment. So, like, you wouldn't be caught dead with like a quicksilver or like a rip curl shirt on.
Colin True
00:24:45.784 - 00:24:46.224
Right.
Justin Housman
00:24:46.312 - 00:25:14.210
And so, like, I was kind. I kind. I cut my teeth in an anti surf industry world. I loved, like, my favorite surfers.
Like, everybody hated Kelly slater in the 90s, for example, because he was this, like, rock. Not even a rock star. He was like a jock for, like, Quicksilver. So everyone. He's boring. I don't like him anyway.
And so I come from that place, naturally speaking. So I, I would say that in this, as far as the surf world goes.
No, but, but except when it's like, if you're like an aging surfer and there's someone that surfs well that you like and they ride a certain brand of board.
Colin True
00:25:14.510 - 00:25:15.622
Yeah, yeah.
Justin Housman
00:25:15.686 - 00:25:20.326
That, that will, that will turn my head because I'll be like, oh, this person's making. This brand is making boards for, like, bigger.
Colin True
00:25:20.358 - 00:25:20.678
Interesting.
Justin Housman
00:25:20.694 - 00:25:30.114
Okay, bigger, Older surfer a certain way. And that's how I want to surf. But that's a little different than. Well, I don't know. That might be.
That's probably the same thing for snowboarders or skiers or for cycles.
Colin True
00:25:30.162 - 00:25:52.650
I mean, like, again, not to pick on Liz. I don't know Liz. I mean, she could be. I'm sure she's amazing, but it's also like, you know, she's a.
She's a hiker and a runner and we're talking about just like outdoor apparel. So I mean, like, I, I get the board. Maybe a gear thing is a little bit of a different conversation. Right.
Because it's like, if you recognize, oh, that person might surf more like I do. I. And I, I can make that correlation. I might be more interested in their products. But even then, it still feels kind of like a stretch to me.
Justin Housman
00:25:52.690 - 00:27:09.218
Right. No, I see. Also we're.
We're a little bit, like, it's hard for us because we also know, I mean, anybody listening to the rock fight knows, but like, we know that if, like all of a sudden Shantae Salibair is sponsored by Altra, where it's like, well, yeah, she wants to get paid, you know, that doesn't necessarily mean she thinks Altra is the best shoes in the world, you know? And, like, I realize that, like, regular consumers who aren't in the outdoor industry know that too.
But, like, I think there's certainly a point at which if you've heard of a person and you see them rocking a brand's gear, you assume that gear is authentic or good enough to get you to do whatever they're doing. Obviously, that's the whole point of doing any of this.
But, I mean, I'd like to get back to my own question, which I asked you, which is what do you think readers would think? I have to assume that most people will say they don't really give a shit.
I find it hard to believe that people really care that much about sponsored outdoor athletes.
I think, yeah, I mean, they might in the ski world and the snowboard world if you're a younger participant, because you'll have heroes and idols that you look up to and you might buy their shit because you think that. And I don't do those things. I have no idea who's cool now, but, you know, because so and so is your favorite.
You're going to wear their hoodies or whatever. But, like, I find it pretty hard to believe, especially in, like, the hiking and like, trail running segments.
You're so, like, you're probably so particular about what you like, don't like. Like, why would you, why would you change that based on a sponsored athlete?
Colin True
00:27:09.314 - 00:27:21.030
Well, let's talk about one. There's an Michaela. Michaela Schiffrin is, I guess objectively now the most accomplished US skier of all time. Yeah. Right. She won her 100th race.
She's incredible.
Justin Housman
00:27:21.110 - 00:27:21.350
Right.
Colin True
00:27:21.390 - 00:27:23.142
All she does is go out and beat everybody.
Justin Housman
00:27:23.206 - 00:27:23.478
Sure.
Colin True
00:27:23.534 - 00:27:26.454
And she's sponsored by Barillo. Right. The. The pasta brand.
Justin Housman
00:27:26.622 - 00:27:27.350
I don't eat.
Colin True
00:27:27.430 - 00:27:27.926
It's kind of weird.
Justin Housman
00:27:27.958 - 00:27:30.038
That's not very good. It's not even, it's like a low shelf.
Colin True
00:27:30.134 - 00:27:31.078
Like, what's in it for them?
Justin Housman
00:27:31.134 - 00:27:37.606
Yeah, you know, I don't know, honestly. Good question. I mean, I've never understood any of the sponsorship thing. I really don't. I mean, like, you see a sticker on her helmet.
Colin True
00:27:37.638 - 00:27:37.894
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:27:37.942 - 00:27:40.502
Pasta, you know, probably that's really it. Right. They know.
Colin True
00:27:40.526 - 00:27:47.250
She's trying to picture the meeting with like, guys, you know what we need to get bigger in snow sports. You know, they're not eating enough pasta over there. So what do we do?
Justin Housman
00:27:48.490 - 00:27:52.270
I mean, I've, I've, again, it's never really made a lot of sense to me, so.
Colin True
00:27:52.570 - 00:28:10.802
Well, that's kind of what I mean, like, going back with Adam X about, like, he's like, you know, and I, I get what he, I, I appreciate the sentiment of what he's saying because it's like he want, you know, athletes he wants them to get paid. I also think that it.
I guess mostly my beef is the, the they can't make a correlation between outdoor athletes and like, professional, like mainstream sports athletes. Those people generate income.
Justin Housman
00:28:10.866 - 00:28:11.714
Yeah, of course.
Colin True
00:28:11.802 - 00:28:17.468
This is. These are mostly people who are looking for gear to enable their outdoor activities and maybe make some money as well.
Justin Housman
00:28:17.524 - 00:28:17.932
Right.
Colin True
00:28:18.036 - 00:28:29.420
So there, and there are the Michaela Shifrins and the Jimmy Chins and the Alex Honnolds. And I get that.
But for the most part, most people you're going to see on an athlete team, unless you're really deep into the sport, you're probably not going to really know who it is.
Justin Housman
00:28:29.460 - 00:28:29.820
Yeah.
Colin True
00:28:29.900 - 00:28:31.356
Versus back in the day, we used to know.
Justin Housman
00:28:31.428 - 00:29:07.386
Yeah, I would think so.
I mean, like, I've heard of Liz Durstein probably, because I've probably written about her for something she did at Adventure Journal or something like that.
But I mean, if we haven't heard, like, if, frankly, if I don't know how this sounds, if someone like me hasn't heard of someone being sponsored by like a brand like that, like, there must be a huge social media influence. Otherwise, like, it's weird that I wouldn't know who that person is just because I spend all day scouring outdoor, outdoor news stuff all the time.
So it's like, well, there's no way some rando who's like walking into it to a REI is going to know who this person is. No way.
Colin True
00:29:07.458 - 00:29:10.266
All right, all right. So listeners, answer the question.
Justin Housman
00:29:10.338 - 00:29:10.922
This is a good one.
Colin True
00:29:10.946 - 00:29:21.670
I mean, answer it any way you feel comfortable. Like, do they matter? Will they influence what you'll buy? You know, what is the role of the athlete in outdoor. In the outdoor industry in 2025?
Justin Housman
00:29:22.210 - 00:29:22.842
I love that.
Colin True
00:29:22.866 - 00:29:23.530
We want to hear from you.
Justin Housman
00:29:23.570 - 00:29:24.730
Yeah, right.
Colin True
00:29:24.770 - 00:29:56.502
So send your replies and answers to myrockflightgmail.com. we want to hear from you on this topic. We're gonna have another topic for you next week, but send it in so we can answer your questions.
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Justin Housman
00:29:56.566 - 00:29:56.950
Yeah.
Colin True
00:29:57.030 - 00:30:02.958
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Justin Housman
00:30:03.014 - 00:30:06.686
I've never Tried it with. I've never hiked. Listening to fresh air. That's a great idea.
Colin True
00:30:06.798 - 00:30:09.022
Terry Gross, I think. Available to go hiking with you, probably.
Justin Housman
00:30:09.086 - 00:30:13.278
I love Terry. Reach out to me on a hike.
Colin True
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Justin Housman
00:30:16.110 - 00:30:16.974
That's a. What it is.
Colin True
00:30:16.982 - 00:30:17.950
That sounds yellow on you.
Justin Housman
00:30:17.990 - 00:30:20.110
Did you write that? That sounds like a Patty O'Connell joke.
Colin True
00:30:20.270 - 00:31:02.030
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Justin Housman
00:31:03.570 - 00:31:06.630
It's Colin approved. He's never even. Wait, have you worn one?
Colin True
00:31:07.170 - 00:31:27.146
No. I have a pair coming to me, though. I'm very excited to try them out. Listen, Oboe's of the Cupid, the outdoor world.
All right, out of Bozeman, Montana. Oboes, they love hiking. All right, last story before we get to the parting shot. Rower. And I'm. I'm gonna mess up his name. Aramis. Aramis.
I'm going with Aramis. Aramis Machus.
Justin Housman
00:31:27.258 - 00:31:32.314
Did this person row out of the Rome like during, like 100 BC?
Colin True
00:31:32.442 - 00:31:36.378
Aramis, he was an extra on Gladiator 2. Just jumped right in his robot.
Justin Housman
00:31:36.394 - 00:31:38.470
Yeah, that's a name.
Colin True
00:31:39.010 - 00:31:44.282
So Armis Machus was attempting to cross the Pacific Ocean and row from San Diego to. Is it Brisbane or Brisbane?
Justin Housman
00:31:44.346 - 00:31:58.662
First of all, it's Brisbane. I have to. I'll have to say that is an amazing thing. Just because, like, Brisbane is 100, the San Diego of Australia. Like, there's no. Like.
I didn't realize that's where that's. That. I had no idea. Those are the two points they're trying to connect. That's hilarious to me.
Colin True
00:31:58.766 - 00:31:59.574
That's pretty funny.
Justin Housman
00:31:59.622 - 00:31:59.990
Yeah.
Colin True
00:32:00.070 - 00:32:14.038
Well, anyways, he was getting closer to Australia's eastern coast. Last Friday, he got caught in a cyclone and had to call for help.
According to Explorers Web, when the Royal Australian Navy reached him they saw his tiny boat being thrown about in terrifying seas. That's a quote from the article.
Justin Housman
00:32:14.094 - 00:32:16.650
You never want to hear the Navy refer to terrifying seas.
Colin True
00:32:17.180 - 00:32:20.052
Yeah, right. They. They know if they're terrifying or not.
Justin Housman
00:32:20.076 - 00:32:21.960
Yeah. Especially down there. Yeah.
Colin True
00:32:22.380 - 00:32:44.788
So then, according to the BBC, Marcus was finally rescued on Monday after three plus days of just holding on and waiting for rescue. So I wanted to ask you, like, how do we update the list of the scariest that can happen in the outdoors? Because we've talked a lot about.
About animal attacks on the show, but just being in a little rowboat being tossed around in giant seas, that might be that for days. This isn't like, I was like, oh, man, I can't. Few hours.
Justin Housman
00:32:44.924 - 00:32:47.864
I can't pick. I don't know which is scarier.
Colin True
00:32:47.992 - 00:32:55.592
Yeah, I mean, the bear thing, you're gonna know pretty quick what your fate is, right? Hopefully the boat. It's like, hey, man, it's Saturday.
Justin Housman
00:32:55.696 - 00:33:07.112
I feel like that might be scarier because you're. It's gonna hurt. Like, drowning doesn't hurt, I don't think. But, man, what could be. God, you'd feel so small, so helpless.
Colin True
00:33:07.176 - 00:33:10.856
The duration that he had to deal with that made me want to ask this question. Right.
Justin Housman
00:33:11.008 - 00:33:30.380
I'm literally getting the chills right now, and it could be because my fever is coming back, but I'm just imagining being on a tiny boat. And, like, by the way, Australia for the last, like, the.
The east coast of Australia, which is where Brisbane is for the last, like, week, has been pumping with the most unbelievable surf I have ever seen. And so that was a cycle that this poor bastard was caught in.
Colin True
00:33:30.760 - 00:33:36.060
So he's out there getting. You're watching YouTube videos of this guy's getting while this poor guy's getting knocked around.
Justin Housman
00:33:36.920 - 00:33:39.460
That is absolutely San Diego to Brisbane.
Colin True
00:33:42.040 - 00:33:43.280
He was out there for over five.
Justin Housman
00:33:43.320 - 00:33:51.282
You got to assume that people that do this kind of thing aren't as scared by open ocean as you and I would be, right? Like, who? Like, this would never occur to me.
Colin True
00:33:51.466 - 00:33:54.818
Oh, no. Like, give me anything else to do.
Justin Housman
00:33:54.874 - 00:34:01.730
There's no amount. Is there an amount of money? There's no amount of money for me. None. Someone's like a billion dollars. Colin, would you try it?
Colin True
00:34:01.850 - 00:34:04.482
I bet if we put down, like, a cool 500 grand in cash in.
Justin Housman
00:34:04.506 - 00:34:08.750
Front of you, you'd say, no. I would not. Not even close. Not even close.
Colin True
00:34:09.050 - 00:34:11.650
Just a pile of no bills bundled up.
Justin Housman
00:34:11.690 - 00:34:16.270
If I knew. Support boat, like, 30ft away from me at all times.
Colin True
00:34:16.720 - 00:34:19.112
It's the loneliness, man. Five months out there by yourself.
Justin Housman
00:34:19.176 - 00:34:23.144
By myself. With no support boat. I wouldn't. They're literally not. There's literally no amount of money. None.
Colin True
00:34:23.192 - 00:34:27.048
Yeah, none. That's that Robert Redford movie. What was the one where he gets on the sailboat?
Justin Housman
00:34:27.064 - 00:34:29.384
It's like the whole movie. He's just on the boat. Right. Like, that's the entire.
Colin True
00:34:29.432 - 00:34:37.336
But it just. It kind of reinforces what you're saying is that I would never want to do this. I have no interest in being out in the middle of the ocean on a.
On really any crash.
Justin Housman
00:34:37.368 - 00:34:42.177
Have you ever been on, like, a cruise or anything? Have you ever been on the open blue seas before?
Colin True
00:34:42.343 - 00:34:49.677
Like, straight away? I think I did like a.
We did a whale watch off the coast of New England once, and it was far enough out that you couldn't see land, and I didn't really like it.
Justin Housman
00:34:49.813 - 00:35:08.969
Yeah. I mean, we. I did.
I did a cruise once and, like, the last stretch was all just straight up, all day, all night, you know, steaming back north, you know, I don't know how far away from land you are, but, like, you are out there. And, like, that was epic. Ish. Even though you're on, like, a gigantic boat, you're still, like. It was. I get claustrophobic pretty quick.
Colin True
00:35:09.710 - 00:35:13.462
Yeah. I. I would launch me into space before putting me out in the middle of the ocean.
Justin Housman
00:35:13.526 - 00:35:25.622
Oh, boy. That's a tough call. I don't know. Again, don't know. I mean, the thing is, I feel like drowning. I've always heard the drowning is pretty peaceful.
I don't know how you. How do you know? Right? But like, that. It's relatively peaceful, like, at the end, and it just feels like at some point you just take a deep.
Colin True
00:35:25.686 - 00:35:26.134
They're dead.
Justin Housman
00:35:26.182 - 00:35:36.090
Deep breath underwater. Right. And that's it, you know, Like. Yeah. And like, I love the ocean, so in some ways it wouldn't be.
I don't know, but it's just so horrifying to contemplate.
Colin True
00:35:36.480 - 00:35:41.976
I love the ocean, too. I love being in it. I love going to it. But I think there comes. It becomes a point where it's the scariest place.
Justin Housman
00:35:42.048 - 00:35:53.112
Oh, dude. No question. No question. Yeah, I mean, I like, I. It's. It's been a while since I've been scared in the ocean. It's been.
It's been quite a while, but not. There's nothing else in my life that ever comes close to replicating that feeling. Nothing.
Colin True
00:35:53.176 - 00:35:57.000
That's because you're not hanging out with Armus. Marcus. He'll take you out the ocean and scare you a little bit.
Justin Housman
00:35:57.040 - 00:36:01.112
Surprised. Armus Moccasin just like roll right through that cyclone. I mean, he made it pretty damn far.
Colin True
00:36:01.296 - 00:36:16.534
Well, they talk about too. Before that happened, he got caught in a whirlpool and he had to backtrack and then was trying to make it like.
Made it like a hard push to towards Brisbane and. But then the cyclone hit, so. Five months. Guy's a stud price.
Justin Housman
00:36:16.622 - 00:36:18.198
So by the way, weathered and fucked.
Colin True
00:36:18.214 - 00:36:25.318
Up Q and A. Back to our Q A corner there. Someone signed Armis Marcus give that guy an athlete's contract. That guy deserves it.
Justin Housman
00:36:25.374 - 00:36:27.814
Yeah, I mean, I know who that is now. Yeah.
Colin True
00:36:27.862 - 00:36:29.270
I buy whatever he endorses.
Justin Housman
00:36:29.350 - 00:36:30.086
Yeah.
Colin True
00:36:30.278 - 00:36:31.686
All right, man. You ready for the parting shot?
Justin Housman
00:36:31.718 - 00:36:33.158
I'm ready for the parting shot.
Chris DeMakes
00:36:33.334 - 00:36:35.850
It's time for a party shot.
Colin True
00:36:37.160 - 00:36:39.020
Want. You want to go first? You want me to go first?
Justin Housman
00:36:39.480 - 00:36:40.400
I'll go first.
Colin True
00:36:40.520 - 00:36:41.744
All right, you go first.
Justin Housman
00:36:41.912 - 00:36:45.248
This is a. My parting shot's mean. It's a. It's a mean. It's mean.
Colin True
00:36:45.304 - 00:36:50.100
Oh. Oh. All right. Like cuz you're sick and you're not feeling good, you just want to be maybe.
Justin Housman
00:36:50.520 - 00:37:04.940
I know he's not listening to the podcast, so it doesn't really. It doesn't really matter, but my I. This. My favorite outdoor. My favorite outdoor writer. My favorite writer wrote a book recently.
His name is Peter Heller. It's called Burn. God, I love his work. He's a. He wrote the Dog Stars, which is like top five.
Colin True
00:37:05.320 - 00:37:06.176
Oh, you told me about.
Justin Housman
00:37:06.248 - 00:37:45.230
I've ever read. My God is good. The painter maybe is even better. His books are always virtually the same. Like a.
Like a smart outdoorsman who gets like caught up in something bad. Always. You know, it's no matter what. Like, that's. That's the effect. Sometimes there's two of them, but it's. That's always this. Always the same.
But he's the guy. Fly, fishes, he surfs a little bit. He's a dedicated outdoors person. But he's. He's just a beautiful writer. I mean, he. The man can write, but he wrote.
He wrote this book called Burn, and it's. It's the first clunker I read from him, but I don't even know where I want to go from it. Go with this as a parting shot.
Other than like, I guess, like don't release a book about civil war right now.
Colin True
00:37:46.570 - 00:37:48.802
Nobody life timing than this than the subject.
Justin Housman
00:37:48.866 - 00:39:25.650
Yeah. Like, I don't. He didn't pull it off, but it's like I don't there's no point at which I'm gonna feel good reading this book right now.
Like, there's not any point. Like, what is the. I get you're thinking about it, bro, but, like, it's not.
Like, I closed it when I was done with it, and I was just like, oh, you know, like, that's not. That's not good. Like, I didn't. I don't have any, like, insights into the nature of humanity. I didn't particularly enjoy reading it.
I just felt, like, kind of scared and uneasy afterward, and it's just like, I don't. Also, he had. Clearly, he had two ideas for a book, and he merged them together, and it was like, a real page turner for most of the.
Like, the main story of. It's two dudes who go hunting in Maine, and they get. When they. They're back there for, like, weeks, and they.
They emerge, and, like, the little villages around them are all, like, burnt to the ground. And, like, what the hell? Oh, there's, like, no cell reception. Nothing's going on.
They have to, like, piece together that there's been some sort of insurrection. And, like, Maine is trying to secede from the Union.
And, like, the federal government's, like, bringing hell to, like, rural Maine to the Kennebec Valley, which is such a funny concept, but that's. That's this. And you're like, okay. And it's, like, them trying to figure out where to go, what to do, whose side. They don't know whose side to be on.
Like, they have no idea what the hell's going on. They don't live in Maine. They're just there. And, like. And so.
But then it's like, half the book is these, like, pointless flashbacks to when they're kids, and, like, one of them sleeps with the other one's mom. You're like, dude, I don't give a shit. Just, like, flipping through 20 pages at a time. I want to get. Where did those helicopters go?
Like, who's the guy with the gun? Like, it just. Just. It's just so annoying.
I'm sitting here, I'm dead sick, like, reading my favorite author of all time's book, and I'm just like, God, this book isn't even that good. I don't know what my parting shot is. Just don't. Don't bother with the book, I guess. Didn't like it.
Colin True
00:39:26.030 - 00:39:30.854
I'm surprised that it was the. You know, the Civil War you're trying to get back to and not the mom porn.
Justin Housman
00:39:30.902 - 00:39:36.748
I'd be more into the mom porn. I know. I guess I'm not in the mood when you're. When you're like 102 degrees fever, you're.
Colin True
00:39:36.764 - 00:39:38.796
Like, I gotta get back to Ghostbusters. Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:39:38.828 - 00:39:47.020
Frozen Empire in a horny mood. But like. And like, I don't even want. That's another part. It's like, I don't want to read about Civil War at all right now.
Colin True
00:39:47.060 - 00:39:48.492
Yeah, but like. Yeah, no, no, but it's still.
Justin Housman
00:39:48.516 - 00:39:51.964
At least it's action. And it's like, I want to know what happens to the characters. And you're just like.
Colin True
00:39:52.052 - 00:39:54.828
Do you think if it was like. Like 10 years? I mean, like, if it was.
Justin Housman
00:39:54.884 - 00:39:55.564
Oh, yeah.
Colin True
00:39:55.692 - 00:39:57.228
In a different time frame, it would have been.
Justin Housman
00:39:57.364 - 00:40:07.648
No, I still. I still would have. I still would have been like, why was this.
Why was this not just a 30 page book about the cool part and then as opposed to a 200 page book where you clearly were just like filling it, you know? So.
Colin True
00:40:07.704 - 00:40:08.592
Yeah, Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:40:08.656 - 00:40:12.928
I don't know. Just. Sorry. Just didn't care for.
Colin True
00:40:12.984 - 00:40:13.280
All right.
Justin Housman
00:40:13.320 - 00:40:13.952
Didn't care for the book.
Colin True
00:40:13.976 - 00:40:16.752
Well, there you go. Good parting shot. Sorry, Peter Heller, you're in the crosshairs this week.
Justin Housman
00:40:16.776 - 00:40:17.936
Yeah, don't do that again.
Colin True
00:40:18.008 - 00:40:18.700
My part.
Justin Housman
00:40:19.000 - 00:40:33.356
He also, I should say in his defense, he really is my favorite writer. He also wrote the only book that I've ever truly, truly loved, but also threw across the room in anger at one point.
Have you ever thrown a book because of what you read in it because you were so mad?
Colin True
00:40:33.388 - 00:40:35.052
I don't know if I have. Yeah, no, I don't think I have.
Justin Housman
00:40:35.076 - 00:40:50.812
One time I ever have. Like, I mean, I've thrown a book, but like, just reading it, you're like, nah, I just threw it.
Like, that's how good that one of his books called the river, which I truly love is. And so anyway, so he's a dude. The dude rocks. But, like, you know, they can't all be bangers.
Colin True
00:40:50.956 - 00:41:03.394
That's true. Yeah, that's true.
Well, my parting shot, according to Muscle and Fitness.com Studies show, Justin, I don't know if you heard this this week, that swearing can actually boost physical performance and lead to an increase in pain tolerance.
Justin Housman
00:41:03.442 - 00:41:04.386
Fuck yes.
Colin True
00:41:04.578 - 00:41:11.538
Right? See, there we go. Combine that with other studies that show that people who swear have higher intelligence than those who do not. Fuck.
You know about that, right?
Justin Housman
00:41:11.594 - 00:41:13.202
Yes. Did you just make that up?
Colin True
00:41:13.386 - 00:41:14.866
No, that's real. That's a real thing.
Justin Housman
00:41:14.938 - 00:41:16.258
That's weird. Sorry.
Colin True
00:41:16.354 - 00:41:35.630
I mean, I kind of like to give Myself credit for that. But no, there's studies to prove that there's literally like, higher intelligence of people who use curse words.
So I'm calling on our puritanical world to abandon the phrase bad words. I want to hear priests and Mormons chanting fuck you, cuntwad sporting events.
I want to hear preschoolers throwing tantrums and telling their parents to off.
Justin Housman
00:41:35.750 - 00:41:40.510
I don't want to hear that because if my kids try that with me, it's not going to go well. Yeah, not going to go well.
Colin True
00:41:40.550 - 00:41:46.766
I want. I want to hear people with political debates, like, start, like, responses like, man, that's. How great would that be?
Justin Housman
00:41:46.838 - 00:41:51.970
I don't know. I mean, I don't know if I would like that or not. I do like decorum in some places.
Colin True
00:41:52.310 - 00:41:57.278
No, come on, man. Swearing makes us smarter and apparently stronger, so everyone needs to do it.
Justin Housman
00:41:57.334 - 00:42:05.518
The stronger pain tolerance thing, 100, dude. Like, the second someone like you have never, like, stepped on something and not been, like, ever. Right?
Colin True
00:42:05.654 - 00:42:12.606
Did you hear that? The caught, like, hot on hot mic. The. The hockey announcer. Did you hear that? And Hawkins are literally during the game.
Justin Housman
00:42:12.678 - 00:42:14.942
The puck, the announcer, like the play.
Colin True
00:42:15.046 - 00:42:27.350
The guy calling the game. No. Yeah, the. The play by play on TV or whatever radio. And he. And it's soon. He. He's like. He's like. And the. The pass goes to it. You go, here.
I'm going to hit him right in the head. Yeah, Totally caught on the hot mic. I'm like, yeah. Yes.
Justin Housman
00:42:27.430 - 00:42:27.830
Yeah.
Colin True
00:42:27.910 - 00:42:29.014
He's dealing with the pain.
Justin Housman
00:42:29.062 - 00:42:38.130
Yeah. Yeah. Somehow it works. It helps. I. I love the idea that it makes you, like, more like, like stronger somehow. But I mean, that's a. That's a great study.
Colin True
00:42:38.590 - 00:42:44.278
Yeah, I'm into it. I mean, maybe like, instead of hgh, you just got to, like, swear and yell a lot of swear words and you'll get.
Justin Housman
00:42:44.414 - 00:42:50.582
Believe me, if that worked, I would be. I would be. I look like that dude who plays Reacher on the. On that. That show.
Colin True
00:42:50.766 - 00:42:52.886
Alan Richard, man, that guy. That guy's Jack.
Justin Housman
00:42:52.918 - 00:42:56.620
That guy's a. He's large. He's large. Large human beings. Yes, he is.
Colin True
00:42:57.880 - 00:43:26.110
All right, everybody. That's the show. Come back on Friday for my conversation about PFAS with Matt Dwyer from Patagonia. We answer our question. Answer Q and A corner.
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00:43:26.190 - 00:44:26.920
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