Today Colin and Justin pop into Housman's House to talk about Justin's big break down of the BOLT Act which is just one element of what's inside the seminal piece of conservation legislation known as the EXPLORE Act.
Then the guys resurrect Gear & Beer to do a round of Overrated, Underrated or Properly Rated. The items being evaluated? Gaiters, insulated hiking boots, and snowshoes.
They wrap things up with The Parting Shot. Justin has some advice for what to wear in the rain while Colin takes issue with the lack of pop culture references in this article.
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Episode Transcript
Colin True
00:00:00.240 - 00:01:00.200
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Welcome to the Rock Fight, where we speak our truth, slay sacred cows, and sometimes agree to disagree. This is an outdoor podcast that aims for the head. I'm Colin True, and joining me today is.
He just imposed a 30% tariff on all Rock Fight podcast listeners and completely tanked our show. It's Justin Houseman.
Justin Housman
00:01:00.860 - 00:01:04.564
They know what they did. They know what they did.
Colin True
00:01:04.652 - 00:01:07.236
Start calling you Justin Trump. That's what's going to happen.
Justin Housman
00:01:07.308 - 00:01:14.868
You know, the 30% tariff comes in the form of you having to listen to me eat a muffin while recording podcast. So hungry.
Colin True
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Not only now do you have to pay for the Rock Fight, you got to listen to Justin eat through the entire episode.
Justin Housman
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This is good podcast material, right? The sound of me just chomping on a muffin.
Colin True
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I'm going to amplify that when I'm.
Justin Housman
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Editing it, like, you know, one centimeter from a microphone.
Colin True
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All right, today, Justin and I are going to be taking a trip over into Housman's house. We're also going to celebrate the return of gear and beer to the Rock Fight. We'll explain more about that later.
But before we get to any of that, if you missed Monday's episode, the Rock Fight, go check it out. On it, I talked about other. Talked about outdoor industry events that are happening in 2025.
The June apocalypse, I was calling it because of, like, the amount of events that are happening in June. And then Owen Comerford joined the show to talk about the HOKA Speed Loafer, which. That sort of paradox always cracks me up.
It's speedy, but you're loafing. It's a speed loafer.
Justin Housman
00:02:01.942 - 00:02:04.582
I never thought about that. What does loafing even.
Colin True
00:02:04.766 - 00:02:08.998
Yeah, you're loafing. You're, like, slow, like, slovenly. So I would think of, like, a loaf.
Justin Housman
00:02:09.094 - 00:02:10.182
Yeah, I guess that's true.
Colin True
00:02:10.246 - 00:02:10.486
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:02:10.518 - 00:02:15.782
Okay. I've never. Yeah, all right. But, like, you don't. It's not, like, implying that you're walking slow.
I've never really thought about why loafer is called that.
Colin True
00:02:15.806 - 00:02:21.562
Well, they're casual. Like, yeah, before it was like your wing tips and your cat. Your, your Sunday shoe were probably your.
Justin Housman
00:02:21.646 - 00:02:27.426
When all your shoes were leather and handmade, Right? Like, these are your casual handmade leather shoes.
Colin True
00:02:27.538 - 00:02:45.090
What happened to GH Bass? Did he die Rich? I'm probably anyway not. Also, be sure to come back this Friday for very interesting guests. I'm going to tease it right now.
I'm not going to tell you who it is, but you're going to want to check out Friday's episode, folks. It's pretty exciting. Don't ruin it.
Justin Housman
00:02:45.210 - 00:02:48.594
I just, I'm so excited Will Ferrell's coming on the pod, you guys.
Colin True
00:02:48.642 - 00:02:52.190
Hey, what do you want to tell the. The listeners about what they should do for Rock Fight?
Justin Housman
00:02:54.670 - 00:03:01.158
I don't want to tell Blitz. I want to invite them. Okay. I want to invite them to subscribe to Rock Fight.
Colin True
00:03:01.214 - 00:03:03.050
This is what your tariffs are going to, folks.
Justin Housman
00:03:05.790 - 00:03:09.670
It's for. Here's the thing with the newsletter, right? Yeah. Okay.
Colin True
00:03:09.750 - 00:03:10.410
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:03:10.750 - 00:03:40.278
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But for the most part, you're getting stuff that you get anywhere else. You get it first. You get it in a nice black and pink colorway, which is unique in the outdoor world.
I bet we're the only website rocking a black and pink color combination. Extremely punk. We've never actually talked about that, but I'm assuming that's kind of the point. Anyway. Yeah. Subscribe to our weekly newsletter.
It comes out every Tuesday. It's good. What else do you need to know? That's it.
Colin True
00:03:40.334 - 00:03:40.982
Tuesday and good.
Justin Housman
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That's it. Tuesday and good. Yeah. No, like, I writes for it. Colin writes for it. Pretty sure Dave writes for it.
Colin True
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We've had Shantae Salibar write for it.
Justin Housman
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Shantay Salibar writes for it. Doug Schnitzbahn, Wes Allen. Like, we got. We had the Heavy. All the, all the rock fighters, you know, and love appear on the, on our newsletter.
And it's. We really put a lot of thought into it. You know, we, presumably we were primarily obviously a podcast.
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Also, we'd like to add to the chorus of people that are asking you to subscribe and like their podcast on whatever podcast app you're listening to us on. And of course, the all important five star rating, folks. If we don't get five star ratings, they take my child's lunches away at school.
That's how it works. Like yesterday, my Olivia, my five year old came home, she said, daddy, I didn't, I didn't have lunch today.
And, and at first I thought it was because I forgot to order her hot lunch and forgot to tell my wife that I forgot to order the hot lunch. And her, my wife didn't make her lunch and so she had no lunch. But no, it's because somebody g a four star rating.
Colin True
00:04:53.492 - 00:04:53.764
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:04:53.812 - 00:04:59.444
And the podcast policing, they came and they, they took my daughter's lunch. They ate it right in front of her. So we don't want to have that happen again.
Colin True
00:04:59.532 - 00:05:05.492
We've talked, we have a few haters. They might just be, you know, pinging that one star. We don't know. We need you guys to balance it out with the five star rating.
Justin Housman
00:05:05.556 - 00:05:15.956
You know, it could be like another, like my daughter maybe took someone else's food and like they, they, they're, they punished her by giving us a four star rating knowing that her food would get, I don't know. We don't know. We're looking into it.
Colin True
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I don't understand these algorithms. It works though.
Justin Housman
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Five star rating, folks. Five star rating.
Colin True
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Hey, also, I know I owe people stickers, so there's. Stickers are going to get shipped out this week. So if I told you, if you got an email from myrockfightmail.com that stickers were coming.
They are, I swear, they're just, just hang tight. I got a big pile of stickers to ship out in Columbus.
Justin Housman
00:05:34.384 - 00:05:39.984
Colin has to draw, has to draw them on the post IT notes first. These are hand drawn pencil on post IT note stickers.
Colin True
00:05:40.112 - 00:05:49.936
I average one sticker every three weeks, so might be a few years before you get yours now. But if you send us a note with some interesting feedback and maybe I'll send you, maybe I'll take a long time to send you.
Justin Housman
00:05:50.008 - 00:05:53.980
If we like the feedback, we'll send you sticker. If we don't like it, we're not going to send a sticker. That's how it goes.
Colin True
00:05:54.140 - 00:06:18.920
That's true, that's true. Well, today our top story, you know what it is. It's presented by your hub for ultralight gear Garage Grown gear.
Head to garagegrowngear.com and check them out. Our top story is taking us into Housman's house. It's our favorite place to go. It's our favorite Marin dad, an outdoor journalist.
He's right here with me right now. Justin Hausman, for sure. We're stopping in to Housman's house to see what he's been writing lately because.
Justin Housman
00:06:19.620 - 00:06:32.880
While you come in here, bring him up, it's he's drowning in Northern California right now. Good Lord. Yeah. You know, the trees are big and it's real nice and green, but holy smokes, it rains a lot sometimes.
Colin True
00:06:33.620 - 00:06:35.952
We had a nice little reprieve, though. It did dry out for a couple of days.
Justin Housman
00:06:35.966 - 00:06:37.548
Yeah, we did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Colin True
00:06:37.644 - 00:07:16.200
Well, so on National Parks Traveler this week, you talked about the BOLT act, which is a part of the Explore Act. We've talked a lot about the Explore act on the show. It's been covered a ton by a lot of outdoor media.
But I'm, and I'm not just pulling smoke up your ass. Like, it really is one of the first in depth pieces of coverage I've seen about something in the Explore act.
You know, even when Jess has come on, Jess Turner from the ORR has come on.
We've talked about what it is and why it's important and the complications of it and how it's going to, you know, get deployed and all these things and how it affects the 92 different categories of, you know, about of the outdoor, you know, the greater outdoor industry and economy. So what's the deal with the BOLT Act? Like, you know, why, why did you decide to go deep on it? Like, well, tell us about the bolt.
Justin Housman
00:07:16.280 - 00:08:25.274
I guess the first thing to know is if you if first of all, the Explorer act is it's called an omnibus package.
I'm sure we've talked about this before, but that means it's like a million different bills wrapped up into one, which is, you know, so there's constantly bills being proposed in Congress by Congress, you know, by both the House and the Senate. Often they a lot of them are outdoor related and often they just kind of languish. Right.
Somebody proposes the bill, maybe there's a vote, maybe there's not. And it just kind of nothing really happens and it's kind of gone.
But it's, it's a lot easier to put these things all together, one big package and then kind of force lawmakers to vote on it one way or the other, which is what happened to the Explorer Act. So the Explore act takes a lot of different.
It's, it's, it's complicated if you, I mean, even for us who are in the media who are like thinking about this stuff every day, I still was confused about Great American Outdoors Act, Explore act, like what? The Bulk Bolt act, the Park act, all these different things that I've heard sort of talked about in the last like year or two.
But all of, for the most part, basically, if there's a big outdoor build that you've heard of, it's probably was packaged into the Explore Act. And I forget what that stands for. Expanding Public. It's an acronym LANDS Outdoor Recreation Act. I think anyway, you gotta capitalize it.
Colin True
00:08:25.282 - 00:08:26.230
When you write it.
Justin Housman
00:08:26.530 - 00:08:39.050
So. So I would say the most. And we talked about in the show.
But the most controversial aspect of that was the, the fact that it was basically making it formal that it was okay to have like fixed anchors and climbing areas.
Colin True
00:08:39.170 - 00:08:39.498
Right.
Justin Housman
00:08:39.554 - 00:10:56.660
And since those are often called bolts, I always thought the Bolt act was about that. I thought that was what the Bolt act was. But no, that's the Biking on Long Distance Trails Act. And so I felt like the, and I'm actually.
Well, we'll get to that in a second.
I felt like the conversation around bolts and wilderness was, was a pretty big deal in, in terms of I, Although I don't know that people realize it was part of the Explore act, where we were kind of codifying that, that like it's okay for wilderness areas to have them more or less to have fixed anchors. But other than that, it just seemed like vague sort of there'd be money for outdoor stuff. That's kind of how I thought of the Explorer Act. Right.
Like there's a lot of different policies that are basically saying, hey, we're going to chip off some federal funds to go to X, Y or Z. So I wanted to look at what that meant for biking. I was just interested in adventure cycling.
And so I called up imba, the International Mountain Biking Association. They were a big part of the BOLT Act. And with the BOLT Act, Biking on Long Distance Trails act.
Basically, if you know anything about the national park or national park units that are the national Scenic Trails, these are, these are like officially designated long distance hiking trails. They get federally federal funds.
So that means for maintenance, that means for signage, that means for, you know, cleaning up trailheads, all this sort of stuff to make it a more enjoyable experience on these designated National Scenic Trails. It also means that there's certain levels of protection. You can't build stuff too close to them. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I don't, there's a lot of National Scenic Trails. I can't remember how many there are, but that, so that's, that's the thing.
And so BOLT is in some ways meant to mirror that where basically it says, okay, feds or the Department of Terrier in particular, Congress is directing them to come up with 10 officially designated long distance trails that will get funding and protection from the government. And so these are, they have to be over 80 miles in length. They have to be primarily dirt.
There can be like sections that are paved if they're connecting two different trail segments. Yeah, but, and that's that, that's, that's the primary thing. We got to get 10 established federally designated long distance biking trails.
And so once that's picked. And IMBA will have something to do with that. Adventure Cycling Association, I believe. Bikepacking routes.
A lot of these nonprofits that you probably heard of in the adventure biking space have a say in imba. Actually, it sounds to me like they actually helped write the legislation.
Colin True
00:10:56.740 - 00:10:57.092
Nice.
Justin Housman
00:10:57.156 - 00:11:19.208
A bit. And you know, all these groups have people in Washington that are, that are lobbying. You know, not all lobbyists are bad.
Well, actually they probably are really. But I mean, there are lobbyists. Well, I mean, lobbying kind of sucks. Right? Like lobbying sucks. It's not, it's not, it's not a good thing.
But generally speaking. But I mean, you know, there are, there are. I guess I would prefer to do away with lobbying altogether.
But I mean, there are lobbyists that are working for things that you would like to have, for example, more outdoor access.
Colin True
00:11:19.344 - 00:11:19.784
Right.
Justin Housman
00:11:19.872 - 00:12:58.612
So anyway, most of these non profit outdoor groups have people in D.C. that are, that are, you know, either talking directly to Congress people or their staff or whatever trying to push these bills through.
So anyway, that's what the BOLT act was. So the, so the primary thing, 10 national scenic trails, the second part of that is finding 10 more. Right.
So there's IMBA and the other groups I mentioned already kind of have like 10 trails. They want to get this designation. So the next step is them like making that formal effectively with it with the Department of Interior.
And then once that happens, they'll identify 10 more that they want to bring into the program. And that can mean things like building more like connections between two different long trails that don't connect already. It can mean things.
And this will be controversial a little bit for some people. This can mean things like you know, if, if. So as it is, you can't have bikes in wilderness, federally designated wilderness areas.
So there might be a situation where there's a trail on one side of a designated wilderness area and a trail on another, and the only way to connect them is to go through the designated wilderness area. So there might be situations where, you know, Congress will say, okay, we're going to buy up, we're going to, we're going to change the designation.
Like, this is no longer federally designated wilderness area, so the bike trail can continue and maybe we'll put, we'll put some other land, we'll designate some other land, federally designated wilderness area to kind of make up the difference so that, that can happen as well. But essentially, that's what it does.
It's basically the cool thing is it's effectively the government going, you know what, like adventure biking, bike packing, mountain biking, these have ascended to the like, level of like hiking, camping and climbing like that, like the three kind of big, big American outdoor pursuits really, that take place in, in public lands. This, this biking is now at their level. This sounds like the first time this has ever happened.
Colin True
00:12:58.676 - 00:13:14.400
Yeah, it feels like this is like the first domino to fall where we've been kind of waiting for, for a long time. Right? I mean, these, I think about, like, you see people who like, bike the Colorado Trail or, you know, or even the, Is it the.
Not the cdt, but is it what, the South Divide Trail?
Justin Housman
00:13:14.560 - 00:13:15.312
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Colin True
00:13:15.376 - 00:14:02.200
There's a, there's a bike wrap version of that right from Canada to Mexico. And there's always sections when you people. Well, that's part through the wilderness area.
So we have to drop down to the road or whatever it is, and we got to do 20 miles on the road today.
And the fact that there's something to say we might reroute some of the wilderness, which, I mean, something else I'm sure we're going to get to is maybe some people who aren't maybe as excited about the Explore act as we would be.
That's such a big deal because that's always been sort of at the crux of the bike argument, especially in wilderness areas, like places where, you know, you get the whole impact use and all those kinds of things that people have kind of argued for and against, I mean, for decades now.
So the fact that now this is being discussed at that level, that a bike trail is being sort of basically being endorsed by the federal government, kind of feel like that's gotta change the conversation, right?
Justin Housman
00:14:02.500 - 00:14:21.620
I think it will And I think it for sure will. I also think, you know, you might wonder. Okay, so what, right? Like, who?
Okay, you know, but one of the things that's interesting is if you wanted to do a long distance bike route now, what would you, what would you do, Colin? Like, you're like, I'd like to ride from California to Montana. Right?
Colin True
00:14:21.660 - 00:14:22.612
What would you do?
Justin Housman
00:14:22.796 - 00:14:28.980
Sit down. I guess you'd like, have to like, get a bunch of maps and piece together where you're allowed to ride where you're not.
Like, it gets confusing pretty fast.
Colin True
00:14:29.060 - 00:14:29.364
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:14:29.412 - 00:16:59.250
And so I, I wrote a profile of, of Kurt Ref Snyder, who helped found bikepacking routes a few years back. And his. He, he has developed a trail, one of the, one of the two trails that goes from Canada to Mexico. There's.
There' mountain bike Divide Route, I think is what it's called. That's been around for a while.
And then he made one that was first called the Wild west route, but they've changed the name and I can't remember what it is now. But talking to him about how difficult it was to actually put this thing together was amazing.
Dude was a professor, professor of geology at Prescott College in Prescott, Arizona, which has phenomenal mountain biking. And he was like, teaching mountain biking classes to his students. He was doing like these weird bike packing, like geology field trips and stuff.
But like, he became so enamored with making this trail system, he quit his job. He quit his tenured professor job to just be a, like, bikepacking advocate, map riding guru. Dude.
And so he spent like a couple of years, like figuring out how to. Okay, so there's public land I can ride a bike on here. Now I hit a section that's private land. What can I do?
So he would go to go talk to the landowners. Is it okay if we build a trail through like all these sorts of things to establish a trail? And it's a really complicated thing to do.
And, but if you want to ride a couple hundred miles on dirt, you, you, you go, okay, great. These people have actually like carved this out for me and I can, I can do it.
So that's, that's one of the things that will help the, that the bullet actor will help. It will say, here's 10 established. You don't have to think about it. Routes like, here they are, boom.
You'll be able to go to like nps.gov or whatever and like learn everything you need to know about it and make your plans that way. And it'll be great.
It'll Also, also money goes to the gateway communities as well to help like kind of fund like just the amenities that might be near the trailheads.
You know, like that could be anything from bathrooms to like cleaning up the roads to get there, whatever, like, so it helps the gateway communities as well because theoretically these are going to probably be, I would think, become fairly popular considering how like big bike packing is now.
So there's lots of cool steps involved or I'm sorry, there's lots of cool like things that these or problems that this solves in a cool way, which is just like it makes it easier to ride, it establishes biking as more of a presence. It probably opens the door for a lot of conversations about where bikes are and aren't allowed.
Because, you know, for example, some national parks allow biking and some don't like on, on dirt and some don't. And presumably some of these trails will go through national parks. But I mean a lot of national parks don't allow bikes.
And so there's, you know, it's going to answer some difficult questions if you're route planning and also just elevate the, probably the, the, the power that the bike community has when it comes to home appliance.
Colin True
00:16:59.670 - 00:17:34.282
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Justin Housman
00:17:34.466 - 00:17:35.802
I love that name too.
Colin True
00:17:35.906 - 00:18:51.740
It really is great. All right, so we got a listener email last week asking about Rock Fights Gear and Beer, which is the other podcast that Justin and I host.
And it's currently on hiatus. We're taking what we learned from making that show and we're going to bring it into, I guess, a reinvention of a reinvention.
Just a major update, major upgrade.
Basically take the Outdoor Gear Focus podcast, turn it on its head a little bit and create something really new that we think you guys are going to love.
Not going to say much more than that or reveal anything at this time because it's still kind of in development, but gear and beer fans should hang in there because there is going to be something special coming. And in the meantime, I think we're just bringing gear and beer back here as a segment on the rock fight.
Like I said, I'm going to Michigan next week and I'm going to where I'm pretty much planning on dying from exposure to the cold.
So I thought with Justin here we'd play a little round of Overrated, Underrated or properly rated, which is my favorite segment from the gear and beer podcast where I'm going to throw some gear or activities or things at Justin. He has to tell us if it's, if he thinks it's overrated, underrated or properly rated.
This is going to be the cold Michigan edition of overly rated Underrated, Properly rated. And I want to start with gators. And with gators, I'm talking like outdoor research. Croc skaters, right? Because like, you know, I.
Justin Housman
00:18:52.040 - 00:18:53.136
Wait, croc skaters.
Colin True
00:18:53.168 - 00:18:55.792
What's the croc? The model croc is not the name.
Justin Housman
00:18:55.896 - 00:18:58.160
Oh, okay, okay. That's. That's what outdoor researchers are.
Colin True
00:18:58.200 - 00:18:59.424
Pretty sure that's what it was. Maybe I got.
Justin Housman
00:18:59.512 - 00:18:59.776
Okay.
Colin True
00:18:59.808 - 00:19:03.632
Yeah, I think crocs was the big sort of like three layer Gore Tex. I think I have a pair.
Justin Housman
00:19:03.696 - 00:19:05.984
Yeah. Like up to like below your knee.
Colin True
00:19:06.032 - 00:19:50.456
Yeah. When I was. So when I was in live in New Hampshire and hiking in the winter a lot, I always wore them.
We'll get to another category on here in a second. But like I'd basically have a pair of hiking boots with those on because it was deep snow. Right.
And it was just like easy, you know, you're not gonna get any snow in your boots when you're wearing these gators. Gators, I feel like, like what I wear for long trail runs or hikes, like little like ankle gaiters on like your lone peaks or whatever.
I think those are indispensable and I will like those are definitely, I guess, properly rated. They're not over underrated. But, but it does feel like the old school big gators may be a relic of, of the old time, of the old days.
Like they, you know, the kind of built in gators you get in a lot of, you know, like shell pants and things now. So I wanted to. What's your take, man? What's, what do you think about gators? Are they, are they overrated, underrated or properly rated?
Justin Housman
00:19:50.568 - 00:20:23.056
I've general, I think generally speaking gators are super underrated. I've written about this before at AJ A long time ago. And I totally agree with you.
Like if, if you are trail running depend, you know, for a long distance sort of thing or. And you know, I'm a boot guy now, but as we talked about before, I did experiment with like backpacking and trail runners. I would always use gators.
I can't even imagine not using gators in a situation like that. Low tops are going to allow more shit in your shoe. So like gators, trail running, hiking, 100% Gator. They also, you know, frankly look cool.
Colin True
00:20:23.088 - 00:20:26.336
They look, they're light. They like nothing like. Yeah, they're just great.
Justin Housman
00:20:26.408 - 00:20:40.178
Get really cool, like cool color ones. Like it's, it's great. They don't cost a lot. They're, they're absolutely worth it.
I mean, like, why wouldn't you spend 30 seconds to put a little thing on your, on your shoe that's going to keep a rock from getting in your. Because it's going to take longer to get the rock out. Right. So just put the, put, put a gator on.
Colin True
00:20:40.234 - 00:20:50.162
By the way, as much as grief is maybe we've given ultra lately on the show, I love like the fact they have the Velcro tab on the back of the Lone Peaks. They just, they're set up to put a gator on your shoe. And it's awesome. So, yeah, it's great.
Justin Housman
00:20:50.186 - 00:21:54.530
It's great. That is a, that is an awesome thing as far as like Snow Gators, dude. 100%.
Like every single hut trip I've done, whether it's cross country skiing or snowshoes, like you wouldn't think you would need them cross country skiing. And you often don't.
And it's kind of a pain in the ass to get, to get to use gators when you're using, not all like, bindings will work with gators depending on how they attach to your boot and stuff like that.
But like I've done them with, I've done it with cross country skiing too because sometimes you take the skis off and sometimes you end up fucking post holding on accident through soft snow off the side of the trail.
And so, I mean there's like nothing worse, especially if you, it's one thing if you're just like going snowshoeing for the day and you're, you know where you are and you're not going to be that far from your car or whatever. Yeah. All right. I might not always bring gators in that situation, but if it's something where I don't know where I'm going.
If it's like a hut to hut kind of a thing where I have to physically get somewhere else, I wouldn't even dream of doing it without gators. I mean, like, there's. What's worse than getting like snow in your boots? I mean, oh, my God. It'll keep you warm. It keeps your feet dry. Like, big fan.
Huge. There's no downside. I mean, yeah, okay, you have to buy them. I mean, looking at the ones you're talking about now, the crocodile gators.
Colin True
00:21:54.610 - 00:21:55.218
Yeah, yeah.
Justin Housman
00:21:55.234 - 00:22:08.656
They're not cheap. They're like 90 bucks, but absolutely worth it. Plus, I mean, if it's really freaking cold, I mean, it's another layer. It's another layer. Yeah.
So, yeah, big, Big. Big. Huge. Huge. Huge. I have like multiple pairs of gators. I wouldn't go to the snow without them.
Colin True
00:22:08.728 - 00:22:17.424
The only ding on them is, like, is the aesthetics.
Because when you have them up to your knee, if you're, if you're at all wearing any sort of loose sort of pant, you got a nice big, like, kind of like knickers look like they're billowing.
Justin Housman
00:22:17.472 - 00:22:19.040
I don't mind that. I think that's cool.
Colin True
00:22:19.120 - 00:22:21.856
I'm old school mountaineer, so.
Justin Housman
00:22:21.928 - 00:22:33.220
So if I'm going to be fly fishing in the, like, earlier part of the summer where the water's high and, and it's always cold, but like somehow feels colder because you can see the snow that it's coming from.
Colin True
00:22:33.260 - 00:22:33.700
Yeah, right.
Justin Housman
00:22:33.740 - 00:22:40.500
But it's, but it's hot. I will often rock short shorts and gators often. That's a lot in, in the water.
Colin True
00:22:40.540 - 00:22:41.400
It's a vibe.
Justin Housman
00:22:42.380 - 00:22:53.828
I, it's very like, I feel like you look like an Austrian something or other. I don't know, like, if it kind of. I don't mind it. I think it's cool. I mean, I, I just, I don't know what it is about gators.
I just like, I like, I like protection when it makes sense.
Colin True
00:22:53.924 - 00:22:57.606
So underrated, you're saying? Just firmly underrated. Yeah. People want more gators.
Justin Housman
00:22:57.788 - 00:23:10.130
Yeah. Like, you see people all the time, like, snowshoeing around and post hauling through crap and they don't have gators. You're like, well, I know.
I also like, get your boots wet. It gets your socks wet. Like, yeah, it's just keep, just keep it, keep it dry, keep it, keep it more fun.
Colin True
00:23:10.250 - 00:23:41.406
All right, this next one I had, and maybe this is a little bit my experience with the category, but I had insulated boots with the premise that is for day hikes. Right. Because obviously if you're going out overnight, you're on a mountain, you want to have an insulated boot.
I'm not, you know, if you're spending multiple days out, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about for day hikes.
Because my experience with insulated boots, especially most insulated boots, is that they're not as comfortable as a regular pair of boots.
And if you're going out, even in the wintertime, in cold conditions and in snow, a just sort of Gore Tex line, you know, a pair of hiking boots will treat you just fine. Because if you're moving. Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:23:41.438 - 00:23:41.678
There's.
Colin True
00:23:41.694 - 00:24:02.636
The risk would be that if you get hurt and you got to wait for help now, your feet are probably going to get cold and that that's a risk in of itself. But for the most part, I'd much rather go out.
And a lot of times if I'm going on a short adventure or if I'm running, I'll just wear my running shoes. But if I'm going out, like snowshoeing, something like that, I just want to have a regular pair of hiking boots in the wintertime.
I don't want the insulation or the extra weight or, or just the feeling of that insulated boot.
Justin Housman
00:24:02.748 - 00:24:04.460
I'm shaking my head, just not just this.
Colin True
00:24:04.500 - 00:24:05.436
You're just out.
Justin Housman
00:24:05.588 - 00:24:07.836
How long has it been since you lived in Pennsylvania?
Colin True
00:24:07.948 - 00:24:11.852
Well, that's a long time. But I mean, you mean New Hampshire when I was like, hiking, whatever.
Justin Housman
00:24:11.916 - 00:24:14.044
Somewhere cold, somewhere legitimately cold.
Colin True
00:24:14.172 - 00:24:15.240
12 years.
Justin Housman
00:24:15.540 - 00:24:17.308
Did you not have insulated boots then?
Colin True
00:24:17.364 - 00:24:25.052
I did, but like, that was when we were in Utah and I did feel like going out to like plow the driveway. But if I had gone hiking, I would, I'd much rather would have worn a pair of like regular hiking boots.
Justin Housman
00:24:25.196 - 00:24:33.196
Huh. So you're not wrong in the sense that you'll probably be fine. Of course.
I mean, like, people didn't used to have any, you know, they just have leather.
Colin True
00:24:33.228 - 00:24:37.628
Yeah. What does Valerie wear? He had hobnailed boots. He was fine. He wasn't fine. He died.
Justin Housman
00:24:37.724 - 00:24:48.860
Layers of like, wool socks, too, with. He might have had actual sheep in his boots that he was, you know, like he, he cut open a squirrel like a ton. Like a tauntaun. Yeah.
Colin True
00:24:48.940 - 00:24:51.760
Right. Yeah. Yeah. He's pulling a Luke Skywalker.
Justin Housman
00:24:51.900 - 00:25:00.008
Yeah, I, I wouldn't dream of not you of, of using non insulated boots for doing what I expect you to be doing, you know, snowshing around all day.
Colin True
00:25:00.064 - 00:25:00.776
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:25:00.968 - 00:25:08.312
Why wouldn't you? I mean. Okay, so it's less comfortable. I don't agree with that. What's uncomfortable about an insulated boot? Like you think your feet get too warm?
Colin True
00:25:08.456 - 00:25:23.558
Yeah, they're just. I don't know, maybe I'm not wearing the right insulated boots. That's what I mean. I've never worn a pair. Like I've always.
I basically had like big chunky insulated boots that were probably more like just going out in the snow and doing like kind of. But not going out for a full day of hiking or I've had boots.
Justin Housman
00:25:23.734 - 00:25:24.774
Those will be fine.
Colin True
00:25:24.822 - 00:25:28.214
I mean, I don't get plastic boots like mountaineering boots, but that's a different thing.
Justin Housman
00:25:28.302 - 00:26:00.284
Different.
I mean you're like, if you, if you're in the snow for 12 hours and it's, it's like less than 20 degrees and you don't have it, and, and you just have Gore Tex boots, your feet are going to be really cold, but you'll probably be okay. I, I just, for anything more than a few hours, I, I'm definitely wearing insulated boots.
I mean like if I'm driving back from the mountains and my kids want to do a snow play area, I'll just throw some regular boots on. Like I'm not going to do. I mean, or I would, I probably, I probably don't though because I probably have insulated boots. But like.
Yeah, that would be fine.
Colin True
00:26:00.332 - 00:26:00.684
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:26:00.732 - 00:26:08.636
But I have a pair of Oboz insulated Bridgers that go with me everywhere I go to the snow. And I have a pair of like Han Solo looking. A lot of Star wars references.
Colin True
00:26:08.668 - 00:26:09.724
Yeah, seriously.
Justin Housman
00:26:09.852 - 00:26:14.556
A lot of like they're like calf high danner boots that I got for a trip to Iceland that are insulated.
Colin True
00:26:14.588 - 00:26:15.654
Those sound kind of sick.
Justin Housman
00:26:15.812 - 00:26:38.018
Dude. They are sick. And like it makes such a big difference. I mean.
Yeah, having like, in my experience, if your feet start getting cold and you know you're gonna be outside for a long time, it gets, it gets pretty unpleasant and concerning, like really fast. It's hard to warm your feet back up. I always have cold feet anyway. I mean, toe warmers and stuff are nice, but.
No, I just, I just don't see the point.
Colin True
00:26:38.074 - 00:26:38.610
All right.
Justin Housman
00:26:38.730 - 00:26:42.082
You're already wearing a boot, so it's like it doesn't matter if it weighs a little bit more, you know.
Colin True
00:26:42.106 - 00:26:54.024
Well, I did a, a lot of winter hiking in very cold, wintry conditions in northern New Hampshire. This will be my first time then, so we'll see. I'll report back. Cause I'm planning on wearing a Pair of Oslo. Is it the Falcon? Falcon Jacquard.
Justin Housman
00:26:54.072 - 00:26:54.344
Yeah.
Colin True
00:26:54.392 - 00:26:55.704
With the Gore Texans.
Justin Housman
00:26:55.752 - 00:26:58.780
They're thin as. I think your feet are going to be really cold.
Colin True
00:26:59.600 - 00:27:02.792
They feel burly as hell when I put them on because I haven't had ever since.
Justin Housman
00:27:02.816 - 00:27:03.528
I really like them.
Colin True
00:27:03.584 - 00:27:04.584
That's what I'm planning on wearing.
Justin Housman
00:27:04.632 - 00:27:04.904
We'll see.
Colin True
00:27:04.912 - 00:27:05.704
I'll report back.
Justin Housman
00:27:05.792 - 00:27:11.224
I was wearing those, I was wearing those in the summer. Like I was. That's what I was hiking in most of this last summer.
Colin True
00:27:11.272 - 00:27:18.548
I don't know how you. I took them out just to wear them on a hike, just to make sure they fit me well. And I did an hour long hike. What's that?
Justin Housman
00:27:18.684 - 00:27:22.420
What socks do you wear in the summertime? I just always wear like you're wearing wool socks.
Colin True
00:27:22.500 - 00:27:24.292
I wear nothing but wool socks.
Justin Housman
00:27:24.436 - 00:27:25.684
But like thick wool socks.
Colin True
00:27:25.732 - 00:27:29.748
Like the wool socks. Like regular hiking socks. On like thin, you know.
Justin Housman
00:27:29.884 - 00:27:32.980
You know what I, you know my feet were. We haven't really talked about this, by the way.
Colin True
00:27:33.020 - 00:27:34.884
And it was 60. Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:27:34.932 - 00:27:44.180
In the summertime. Well, you sounds like you have sweaty feet issues in the summertime. I switched to sock wool sock liners only. I only wear sock liners.
Colin True
00:27:44.260 - 00:27:45.480
That sounds terrible.
Justin Housman
00:27:45.900 - 00:27:46.308
Why?
Colin True
00:27:46.364 - 00:27:49.124
Because it's like I don't want that thin of a sock in a boot.
Justin Housman
00:27:49.252 - 00:28:02.340
Oh, no, no, they're great. They don't wear out. They, they're fine. I mean like, and then you don't get, you don't. They're not nearly as hot as like a regular wool sock.
I mean like I would. That might be part of the issue is that you're wearing like socks are thicker than I wear. But I, I.
Colin True
00:28:02.380 - 00:28:15.778
No, they're not. They're not thick socks. I mean I would not wear these socks like next week. And they definitely need thicker socks for, for next week. I, I just.
But my feet get real hot. So maybe that's, maybe that's an added advantage for me in the, in what we're talking about.
Justin Housman
00:28:15.834 - 00:28:21.970
When you watch a football game in the snow and you're watching all the linemen. Well, pretty much everybody at this point.
Colin True
00:28:22.010 - 00:28:22.466
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:28:22.578 - 00:28:25.042
And they're just no nose, long sleeves.
Colin True
00:28:25.106 - 00:28:25.538
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:28:25.634 - 00:28:35.586
And their skin's all pink or whatever. I guess if they're the white guys, your skin's all pink. Are you thinking, yeah, that's badass. Are you thinking, you fucking idiots. Just put us.
Just put a shirt on. Or you're not thinking about it?
Colin True
00:28:35.658 - 00:28:40.030
I'm not thinking about it because I know how sweaty those guys on how hot. How hot they are. For what they're doing.
Justin Housman
00:28:40.330 - 00:28:49.010
So I get so mad because like you see him because now, now it's like a thing you have to. Or else you're like, if you look at a game, look at a game in the 80s, they all had long sleeves on.
Colin True
00:28:49.050 - 00:28:49.410
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:28:49.490 - 00:29:11.122
And then at a certain point it became like a cool tough guy thing to do to not wear shirts or not wear sleeves. And now you see guys like, it's like Buffalo and they're out there with no shirt on three hours before the game, like running around. I'm so tough.
I don't need to be like, to me like not wearing insulated things in the snow is the equivalent of a football player being like, I don't need sleeves. It's like, dude, you know you'd be more comfortable with sleeves on.
Colin True
00:29:11.146 - 00:29:20.238
I don't think they would. I think, I think they would. Cuz some, I think they, they get to the sideline, they immediately put on the big like football coat.
I think, I think they're all sweaty though. Like that's.
Justin Housman
00:29:20.334 - 00:29:29.534
So you think that until, you think that until like 2004, all these guys were way too hot and miserable and then they just finally figured out that if I take, if I don't wear sleeves, I'll be fine. You don't think it's more of, I.
Colin True
00:29:29.542 - 00:29:33.250
Need to go back and check the tape guy. I wonder. There are more players like wearing.
Justin Housman
00:29:33.830 - 00:29:36.158
Wore a turtleneck, long sleeves every game.
Colin True
00:29:36.214 - 00:29:38.366
Notoriously soft player Lawrence Taylor.
Justin Housman
00:29:38.398 - 00:29:47.658
You know, I. Anyway, point is, is that like I don't. I'm wondering if you might have like a weird, like, I'm going to wear shorts when it's 50 kind of like.
Colin True
00:29:47.714 - 00:29:53.050
I'll definitely do that. I never know I wear shorts. I'm always barefoot too. Like that's, I'm always walking around.
Justin Housman
00:29:53.090 - 00:30:06.234
I remember being in port in Portsmouth and it's like snowing and I'm in like all my shit and there's like dudes in T shirts and shorts and I'm like, I'm not impressed, man. You're just an idiot. Yeah, my, my five year old also doesn't wear a jacket because she's, she's an idiot. She's fine.
Colin True
00:30:06.282 - 00:30:30.358
I think it's. Well, this is why the activity matters. Like even that football player, like they are. I mean, you're probably right.
There are definitely some who are not wearing sleeves and they should be.
There's others, I'm sure, who are just boiling hot because when they're playing football they get really hot, you know, playing Ice hockey people are like, oh, no. Within two seconds you start skating, you start sweating with all that gear on. Like, it just so I don't know.
Well, I'll report back if all of a sudden my toes, if I, if I lose a few toes, then, then you'll be right.
Justin Housman
00:30:30.414 - 00:30:34.342
Some kind of like sweat measurement device. Sweat measuring device.
Colin True
00:30:34.486 - 00:30:52.264
The last one. And we've talked about this over on Gear and Beer, but I think it's worth revisiting because it's some of our favorite gear.
And for anybody on this listening to the Rock Fighter doesn't listen to gear and beer. Snowshoes. I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna clear out and let you do your thing on our snowshoes. Overrated. Underrated or properly rated?
Justin Housman
00:30:52.392 - 00:31:21.774
I don't, I'm gonna say probably properly rated. Because if you know that you need snowshoes, you can't be like, I don't really need these. Like, you know that you need them, right?
Like, it's like, are shoes properly rated? You know, generally speaking, like, yeah, you could walk barefoot if you want to, but like, why would you do that? That's how I feel about snowshoes.
I mean, obviously if you're walking around on like, if you're going to go for a hike and you're on like a groomed cross country ski trail or something, you don't need snowshoes. You're fine. You'll slip a little bit, but you're fine.
Colin True
00:31:21.822 - 00:31:22.414
Right?
Justin Housman
00:31:22.582 - 00:32:03.930
But like, I don't know why you wouldn't wear the biggest snowshoes you can find because it's like, unless you know that you're going to be hiking on some really rocky, weird trails and maybe you'd be better off with just crampons or something. But like, having big snowshoes is crucial.
I mean, if you've ever tried to do any kind of actual snow hiking without snowshoes, it's a mess, you know, so you. So.
Because even with snowshoes, if it's super powdery, you're going to sink and you're going to want gators and you're going to want insulated shoes because your feet are just walking around in ice all day. So, I mean, I love snowshoes. Plus they're fun.
Like, like you feel like a, I don't know, you feel like kinda or, you know, once again, I'll bring up Star wars again a bit. It feels like something you'd wear on Hoth, right? Like, it just feels, it feels super cool to me to strap into snowshoes. But yeah, they're great.
Colin True
00:32:03.970 - 00:32:04.570
Do we need to create.
Justin Housman
00:32:04.610 - 00:32:05.930
They make it so much easier.
Colin True
00:32:06.010 - 00:32:25.912
Do we need to create a new gear category of the stuff that is objectively awesome that we just don't ever talk about anymore?
I feel like the two I would think of would be snowshoes and kayaks, where like, both those things are great and when you use them, you're like, this is the best. If you're snowshoeing in deep powder. If you're out in a sweet kayak, like just paddling around. But we don't talk about them anymore.
Justin Housman
00:32:25.976 - 00:32:26.152
Right.
Colin True
00:32:26.176 - 00:32:33.240
And when it comes to like, snow stuff, it's like micro spikes have sort of like taken over that entire footwear, like, traction sort of winter category.
Justin Housman
00:32:33.320 - 00:32:35.464
Spikes are cool, but it's different. Micro. Again, micro spikes.
Colin True
00:32:35.512 - 00:32:43.608
It's not the same use case, but it just sort of like I'd never hear any. I feel like snowshoes everybody talked about for like three years, like 2000, like 2002.
Justin Housman
00:32:43.664 - 00:33:12.964
I wonder. I wonder if that's because there were like a lot of advancements made around. It was like, kind of interesting to see what people are doing.
I mean, that's the other thing too is like, if you don't use them very often, like, you don't realize how like, useful they are. Right.
I mean, if you're like trying to hike up a hill in snow and you put that little like heel bar up and now you have like a little platform every time you walk, I mean, it just makes everything so much freaking easier. I mean, I've. The hot trips I've done with snowshoes, you. I'd still be.
I'd still be post holing around years later trying to get to the hut without snowshoes. So they're. I mean, they're indispensable if you. If you need them.
Colin True
00:33:13.052 - 00:33:22.858
Well, but. Or backcountry skiing has sort of taken over the category really. Like at. Skiing has become such a big deal that people like touring around and stuff.
And they really does kind of. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Justin Housman
00:33:22.874 - 00:33:35.130
I mean, I'm sure I've done it before where I've read like, I've used like pretty white, like wider cross country skis. I think I've done it on touring skis that has. That had. Do they make touring skis that have. No, they must.
Colin True
00:33:35.170 - 00:33:36.510
Not with the fish.
Justin Housman
00:33:37.010 - 00:33:52.000
Yeah, but they must have just been wide cross country skis because you wouldn't want to actually like, ski with that, you know? I know. Point is, is that like, I'VE done it with on. On wider skis where you're in just straight powder between trees. Right. And that's fun.
It's harder than it is with snowshoes, though.
Colin True
00:33:52.040 - 00:33:52.304
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:33:52.352 - 00:34:22.976
It would have been a lot easier to walk around with snowshoes, so. Yeah.
And I've got four or five different pairs, you know, like, for, like, kind of for different things, you know, like, I'm not even in snow that much, but I have, like, a big pair that I'm going to use for, like, seriously deep powder if I need to walk a really long way. I've got some smaller ones that I just wear to throw on for fun. I've had running snowshoes before, which seemed to me super weird.
But if you live somewhere that was a thing for a powder and you want to run, I guess you got to have them, right? But, I mean, I would say.
I would say properly rated just again, because it's like, if you know that you need them, you cannot do what you want to do without them. So.
Colin True
00:34:23.048 - 00:34:23.840
Yeah, all right.
Justin Housman
00:34:23.880 - 00:34:25.824
Definitely not over. They're definitely not overrated.
Colin True
00:34:25.952 - 00:34:32.368
I guess we're still kind of in Hausman's house because Housman, the gear reviewer, showed up to tell us about all these things, like, how we should feel about all this gear, and if you would disagree with them.
Justin Housman
00:34:32.424 - 00:34:33.712
Where's the beer, though?
Colin True
00:34:33.816 - 00:34:55.509
Well, that's the last thing we got to talk about right now. So we're not. We're not drinking a beer like we did on gear and beer. But what would you pair, Justin?
I'm so used to just it being accepted because we talked about it so much in the other pod. Justin de Cicerone. He's a certified beer expert. We don't talk about it much here on. On.
On the rock fight, but if you're going to pair a beer with your cold winter activity adventure, what would you pair with it?
Justin Housman
00:34:56.129 - 00:35:08.953
I depends.
Are we talking, like, I'm taking a break and I'm sitting down on, like, a foam pad in the snow and I'm gonna get a walk some more, or is it like I got to the hut or. Or wherever you're going at the end of the day or maybe just back to your vehicle?
Colin True
00:35:09.001 - 00:35:22.730
I. I know where you're going. You're right. Two different things. Let's have, you know, you have your. The beer in the pack.
So we get to the summit, you got a beautiful view. You want to crack open a beer and enjoy it. And then. Okay, now we're back at the.
Wherever we're Staying or your home or whatever it is and what are you gon have after your adventure?
Justin Housman
00:35:23.470 - 00:35:58.672
So both cases, I'm going to want something that's a little higher in alcohol because I kind of want that warmth, right. And I'm probably on vacation, probably so I can. It's okay for me to have like a 6 or 7% beer, like noon. So I would say I would want.
They're not easy to find. The only one that comes to mind, although I know others exist, is Chain Breaker. And I think that's a Deschutes beer. But they make a, A white ipa.
So a white ale is a, is a. Is a wheat beer. It's a Belgian style wheat beer that tastes just like a Hefeweizen. Basically the same. It's basically the same thing.
Colin True
00:35:58.696 - 00:35:58.992
Okay.
Justin Housman
00:35:59.056 - 00:36:21.600
For the most part. But you can get them sometimes where they're like, they have that kind of like smoothness and sweetness and floral thing that a Belgian does.
But with the hop kick and high alcohol of ipa, those are great. And that's exactly what a chain breaker is.
Exactly what I would want sitting down to take a rest on a big, on a big snow hike or any, any kind of like session IPA would be good for that.
Colin True
00:36:21.640 - 00:36:22.048
Nice.
Justin Housman
00:36:22.144 - 00:37:05.290
Well, maybe not session like a lower, like I don't really want like an 8% but like a nice, you know, sturdy warm beer alcohol. What am I trying to say? Warmth from high alcohol is what I want, but at the end of it, give me. I need something like a spicy brown.
Like, I need something that's dark and I want like a little, like a little Christmasy spice to it. So I mean, there's a lot of those are probably going to be a Belgian. I mean like, like a Belgian is a real nice beer after a long cold day.
A nice, like a quad. Yeah, a double. Something like that. High alcohol, easy to drink, not too bitter, refreshing, but also like really warm you up, like right off the bat.
Something like that or like a. Ooh. You know what else? Aventinus, the doppelbock you got to make.
Colin True
00:37:05.330 - 00:37:08.012
You got. Where you going here, man? Which one is it?
Justin Housman
00:37:08.196 - 00:37:10.492
Well, I'm picking a style. I want a spicy brown.
Colin True
00:37:10.556 - 00:37:11.164
All right, fine.
Justin Housman
00:37:11.212 - 00:37:14.268
Spicy. A spicy, spicyish brown ale is what I want.
Colin True
00:37:14.324 - 00:37:23.640
All right, well, thanks to our to listener Charlie for writing about gear and beer. I'm glad you liked gear and beer. I'm glad we should, we should do this more often.
We got to talk gear and beer on the rock fight a little bit more often.
Justin Housman
00:37:24.020 - 00:37:26.012
We will be kind of and it.
Colin True
00:37:26.036 - 00:37:28.604
Is time for the parting shot.
Chris DeMakes
00:37:28.732 - 00:37:31.120
It's time for a party shot.
Colin True
00:37:32.580 - 00:37:33.720
Who's going first?
Justin Housman
00:37:34.270 - 00:37:37.286
Oh, boy. I've lost track.
Colin True
00:37:37.438 - 00:37:37.942
I'll go first.
Justin Housman
00:37:37.966 - 00:37:38.262
I don't care.
Colin True
00:37:38.286 - 00:37:39.254
Yeah, you go first.
Justin Housman
00:37:39.422 - 00:37:54.006
Okay, so this is. This has been. This is. I feel like I've tried to be kind of more positive lately. I'm going to go with something that generally annoys me, and it's.
It's a personal thing. I. It shouldn't matter to me in the slightest bit. But I bet it bothers you too, Colin.
Colin True
00:37:54.038 - 00:37:55.250
Well, I'm excited now.
Justin Housman
00:37:55.550 - 00:38:23.936
So when I first moved to San Francisco. Now, granted, as a surfer, you are really plugged into the weather, right? So, like, I'm constantly looking at the weather.
Well, not as much anymore, but, like, you know, well aware of what's going on all the time. I know what the. I know. Like, I'm looking at the forecast every day. I'm looking at the forecast for the rest of the week.
Like, have a really good idea of, like, how cold it's going to be, if it's going to be windy, any of this sort of shit. Whereas I realize most people don't bother if they look at it at all. It's like, is it hot? Is it cold, Is it raining? Whatever.
Colin True
00:38:23.968 - 00:38:24.304
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:38:24.352 - 00:39:13.582
Even then, they don't seem to do much about it. And that's my point.
So when I first moved to San Francisco, I'd be baffled because you'd, like, go outside on a sunny, sunny day and like, you'd see, oh, on Friday it's going to be nice, like, all week long. I'm like, yes, yeah, fog's going away. Friday. Yeah. And you go outside on Friday, it's 70, and there's people in parkas everywhere.
Down parkas, and you're just like, do you even remotely pay? Like, you just love. You were going to wear that no matter what you have. No, you were just going to put that jacket on.
You don't even care that it's hot. You're just like, this is the jacket that I'm wearing today. That's always kind of bugged me.
But what's really elevated it is now that I'm in a place where it rains all the damn time. People don't seem to understand the difference between a down jacket and a raincoat coat. Or they only own one thing. Like, I don't. I don't get this.
It'll be pissing rain, and there's all these people rolling around in, like, North Face down jackets. Just. Just looks like a Wet sock on them. They're freezing.
Colin True
00:39:13.646 - 00:39:13.934
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:39:13.982 - 00:39:20.462
It's not going to dry today. Like, do you not own an actual rank. Do you not understand, like, put a. At least put a shell over.
Colin True
00:39:20.486 - 00:39:22.526
That is a California problem, by the way.
Justin Housman
00:39:22.678 - 00:39:29.230
I guess it's just, like, granted, I have a closet full of. Of jacket for every possible temperature scenario. I get that.
Colin True
00:39:29.270 - 00:39:29.660
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:39:29.750 - 00:40:12.566
But even if I didn't, and I'm not getting nearly as much gear anymore, I have a rain jacket and I have a down jacket and that, like, I will wear them together if necessary. I would not walk out of the house even with my, like, fancy down jackets that are like, quote unquote, hydrophobic to a certain degree.
If it's like a light mist or a sprinkle. Okay. But, like, I'm not gonna, like, wear that out where there's any chance of rain. I mean, like, last night, great example.
It was supposed to start raining last night, kind of hard at some point at like, 5:00, I'm escaping the house. I got kids everywhere, daughter's friends over. I need to get some work done. I'm getting a beer. I'm out of here. I'm gonna take the bike.
And so I grabbed the bike, I put on my Helly Hansen Odin, which is an insane down jacket. You. You would have seen me in it. Maybe. Oms that bright gold jacket. Oh, it's amazing.
Colin True
00:40:12.598 - 00:40:13.030
Okay.
Justin Housman
00:40:13.110 - 00:40:40.730
Very, very hydrophobic. Two big raindrops hit me. I'm like, nope, took it off, went inside, got a got, you know, my Gore Tex, like, rain jacket.
Because it's like, I'm not, not gonna go outside in a damn jacket while it's raining. I just don't get it.
And I've told people I've actually been, like, lame enough to be, you know, someone will come in, like, soaking wet at the coffee shop I'm at, I'm like, are you aware that, like, down and water don't mix? Like, you're probably colder than you would be and maybe even wetter, you know? And, like, usually they're like, huh.
Colin True
00:40:41.150 - 00:40:47.542
I think that's a combination of your extreme knowledge of outdoor stuff combined with the California of it.
Justin Housman
00:40:47.566 - 00:40:47.750
All.
Colin True
00:40:47.790 - 00:41:04.598
Right.
Because everywhere else I've lived, I'm sure I've seen a lot some of this, but generally, people kind of know what to do if there's inclement weather on a consistent basis. Right. I think I've noticed more of this living here than probably in other places.
It doesn't make it less infuriating, though, because it's not that hard to find something about.
Justin Housman
00:41:04.734 - 00:41:12.662
I invite you to remember my story from five minutes ago about dudes rocking shorts and t shirts in 30 degree weather in Maine. It's like.
Colin True
00:41:12.766 - 00:41:16.038
Yeah, but they're just. That's just. They're probably just comfortable. They live there.
Justin Housman
00:41:16.094 - 00:41:27.436
No, they're not. No, they're. Nobody's comfortable. You die that way. No one's comfortable. They're trying to.
They're either trying to show off or they're just absolutely not paying attention to the world around them. Not great.
Colin True
00:41:27.508 - 00:41:29.500
They're like whacked out on drugs. They can't tell.
Justin Housman
00:41:29.540 - 00:41:30.188
It could be. Yeah.
Colin True
00:41:30.204 - 00:41:30.348
Yeah.
Justin Housman
00:41:30.364 - 00:41:33.320
I mean, if you do enough speed, you're probably warm no matter what. I don't know.
Colin True
00:41:33.700 - 00:41:37.692
I think it's a valid shot. It's not hard to. Yeah, that's a good one.
Justin Housman
00:41:37.716 - 00:41:48.048
Because maybe, maybe I've lectured people about how the pointlessness of hang tags. Maybe hang tags should just tell you more specifically what this jacket's for rather than like impress you with a bunch.
Colin True
00:41:48.064 - 00:41:50.832
Of weird techno battles for this particular jacket.
Justin Housman
00:41:50.976 - 00:41:52.580
Don't wear this in the rain.
Colin True
00:42:08.680 - 00:43:00.380
Post incessantly on social media. Like ignoring the fact that their phone is basically a miniature television that you can.
And I watch more movies and TV on my phone now than I do on my actual television. I always thought that's funny.
But anyway, I don't understand seeing the principle of seeing sports, tv, movies, all this stuff somehow flying in the face of a life rooted around the outdoors.
And I thought of this the other day and I was reading an article on Explorer's Web and there was a discovery they were reporting on about cave spiders in Ireland that have been zombified by a fungus that infected and took over their bodies, which is similar to the cordyceps fungus that infects and zombifies ants in the Amazons, which is also the central premise to the Last of Us, which is a very popular video game. And now HBO show season two coming out this year. Apparently I'm not a fan of the show. It freaks me. I'm tired of these kinds of shows.
But anyway, it's really popular show, apparently. Very well done.
Justin Housman
00:43:00.760 - 00:43:05.440
First, the first. Sorry, sorry to interrupt. First season was very good.
Colin True
00:43:05.480 - 00:43:12.784
I think it's. I'm sure it's excellent. I just am like, you know, I'm like, ah, I'm tired of zombie apocalypses. Like, I want to see the actual apocalypse happen.
Justin Housman
00:43:12.872 - 00:43:14.016
I'm with you. I'm with you.
Colin True
00:43:14.088 - 00:43:49.380
So, um. So it's possible that the writer of this article Just didn't know about this, right? Did it? Didn't. Doesn't know what the last of us is.
But you got to think between themselves and the editor, like someone had to think of this. And it's. And this isn't me shaming them for not knowing about a popular show or game or whatever.
It's just the opening line of this thing referencing the last of us. Could have done wonders for this article for like SEO purposes if nothing else. Right?
Just sort of like referencing this thing that people are interested in. So anyway, I guess my parting shot is that outdoorsy people need to spend more time inside watching tv.
Justin Housman
00:43:51.240 - 00:43:56.740
No, it's not. It's that. No, maybe it is. What. Maybe that is what you're pointing.
Colin True
00:43:57.640 - 00:43:59.504
It was a missed opportunity for this article.
Justin Housman
00:43:59.592 - 00:44:00.880
How do you not mention the last.
Colin True
00:44:00.920 - 00:44:02.140
Of us in this article?
Justin Housman
00:44:02.520 - 00:44:09.248
I think we have to assume. I think we have to assume that they've. That they know of. That they just didn't think to make.
Colin True
00:44:09.304 - 00:44:48.032
Maybe I was reading, waiting for like, okay, when are they going to say it? I'm just like totally expected by the. And when I got to the end, I was flabbergasted. Not one reference to the last of us. So that was funny, though.
All right, well, that's the show for the day, guys. Listen, we want your emails. We want to hear about this episode. We want to hear what you think.
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00:44:48.176 - 00:44:48.980
Bye.
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