The 2025 Outdoor Town Draft!

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Why make a list of the best outdoor towns when you can draft them instead?!

Today on the show Colin is joined by outdoor author and journalist, Shawnté Salabert, and the host of Open Container, Doug Schnitzspahn to draft the best outdoor towns in the US!

Round by round they'll draft outdoorsy locales from all across the United States. In the end they'll each have a list for you the listener to vote on and determine who has the best team of outdoor towns for 2025! (Voting will begin on Monday May 19th on www.rockfight.co!)

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Episode Transcript:

Colin True

00:00:00.320 - 00:00:58.520

Welcome to the Rock Fight, where we speak our truth, slay sacred cows, and sometimes agree to disagree. This is an outdoor podcast that aims for the head. I'm Colin True, and today it's the episode of the Rock Fight.

I've waited two and a half years to record. It's time for the Outdoor Town Draft. But before we get to that, are you caught up from this past week here on the Rock Fight?

We've had new episodes on Monday, on Tuesday, and on Wednesday. What outdoor media company loves you more than the Rock Fight? None. That's the answer. None. Do you?

Because you also got a new episode of Open Container, the show hosted by outdoor legend Doug Schnitzspahn. So be sure you follow and rate Open Container so you never miss the best outdoor conversation podcast that has ever existed.

And lastly, are you heading to Switchback in June? If so, be sure to put the Rock Fight live on your agenda for Tuesday, June 17th at 5 o' clock at the trailheads Theater.

I'm gonna be there with producer Dave Owen Shawnte. Switchback is going to be the event of the summer. This will be the event at the event. Don't miss it. All right, everybody, stick around.

We'll be right back.

Chris DeMakes

00:00:58.760 - 00:01:02.600

Welcome to the Rock Fight. Rock Fight. Rock Fight.

Colin True

00:01:05.240 - 00:02:29.360

All right, folks, time to set the record straight. A few weeks back, listeners heard me rant on about a new sandal from Lem's Shoes.

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Oh, and hey, retailers, did you know that Lemz is looking for wholesale partners? Hit them up@supportemssshoes.com, to add a little flavor to your shoe wall.

And be sure to stop by and say hi to the Lem's team at their booth at Switchback In Nashville this June. Check out the new switchback sandal and all of Lem's shoes by heading over to lemshoes.com okay, Shante Saliba is here.

You can read her book Hiking the Pacific Crest Trail, Southern California, which you should, even if you have no intention of hiking the pct. And Doug Schnitzbahn is here. You can hear him on the Rock Fight podcast network where he hosts Open Container.

Welcome, guys, to the Outdoor Town draft.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:02:29.530 - 00:02:31.130

So be here.

Shawnté Salabert

00:02:32.090 - 00:02:33.690

Yeah. Nice. Nice dog. Nice.

Colin True

00:02:34.650 - 00:03:14.960

Like I said, like I said at the top, this is the bond I've wanted to make since I started the Rock Fight. I think the idea of a list of the best mountain towns ever has been very overdone over the years.

I think I remember when Outside started doing their best town gimmick. And for a few years it felt like it was a must read when it would come out, when it would, when it would come out.

But the shine wore off quickly and they kept trying to figure out new ways to keep it fresh by including brands to work for and craft brewery options and expanding the types of towns they would include. But after a while, just became pretty worn out. And you know, Outside isn't alone in this, you know. No. Totally shots fired at them.

A lot of people do these lists before we get into what we're doing today. Given your backgrounds, did either of you ever work on any of those old outdoor town issues?

Shawnté Salabert

00:03:16.720 - 00:03:18.800

Nope, I cleverly avoided them.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:03:19.360 - 00:03:36.970

We did do some good.

You know, we for, for elevation outdoors, we would do reader poll, you know, best spots, best town issues, but never did the really, really hardcore listicle ones. I did do some best hikes in the world for National Geographic, but all those were pretty authentic. They weren't like chasing breweries or anything.

Shawnté Salabert

00:03:37.450 - 00:03:48.090

Yeah, I've done that for like Conde Nast's best best camping around the US and things like that, but really aimed at like the casual user and not somebody who's going to be out there doing multi sports every day.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:03:48.730 - 00:03:58.620

People love best of lists. That's the problem. But the best list ever was John.

I give John Fahey credit for this in Mountain Gazette had the best towns to get your ass kicked in list.

Shawnté Salabert

00:03:58.620 - 00:04:06.260

See, that's a great list idea, Colin. Sorry, you have to go back and you gotta think of a new topic for this. Too boring though.

Colin True

00:04:06.260 - 00:04:10.740

All right, we're ending it right now. We're gonna start over. Do you remember what number one. What was the number one town to get your ass kicked?

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:04:10.740 - 00:04:21.700

I don't remember my number one Would be Espanola, New Mexico. If you're not careful, just behave there, otherwise you will get your ass kicked. Beautiful people, beautiful town, but don't be an asshole.

Colin True

00:04:22.340 - 00:04:29.620

Shawnte. Do you remember anything from those kind of good old days?

Do you remember enjoying them when they first started kind of coming out and proliferating the outdoor media sc?

Shawnté Salabert

00:04:30.190 - 00:05:18.810

No, I'm not a big listicle person. I've written a lot of listicles, unfortunately. But no, I've never. It's interesting because you can look at them, but it's.

It feels at this point sort of stale and overdone. And I'm really curious to see if we have overlap between sort of the things we've picked a between the three of us.

But then if we have overlap on these lists. Because I kept thinking like a town would come to mind. I'm like, oh my gosh. I don't know, maybe it's overdone. I should do something different, right?

Yeah. I'm not a liscal person anytime. Sorry. Outside.

I know I've written a lot for outside over the years, but man, all those, those like the travel issue is just like one giant listicle on paper and it just. Yeah, I even wrote for this year, this year's travel issue. But it's. Yeah, it's not my favorite kind of thing to read.

It doesn't really do much for me. I'd rather read about ass kicking downs and things like that.

Colin True

00:05:18.970 - 00:05:50.740

I think we all would. I think. I just, I remember when they started coming out, I was still living in New England, kind of starting my outdoor industry career.

And so late 90s, early 2000s, I felt like we people, at least on the east coast, I really resonated with those because it was still those sort of like mythical western towns that maybe we haven't had a chance to visit yet. Right? And it's like, oh man, did you hear there's some really cool stuff in this one place. And so I remember liking the.

I call it a gimmick, I guess when it first kind of started. But it did start to feel pretty quickly. It was like, all right, how do we keep this fresh? And it's kind of hard to keep it fresh after a few years.

Shawnté Salabert

00:05:50.740 - 00:05:59.140

So, yeah, you know, I, I feel like it's the same place as doing the same things. And every once in a while they're like, oh, did you hear about this town? Because it got a lot of tourism dol.

Colin True

00:06:01.280 - 00:06:12.640

Well, to keep it from not being the same old thing. What we're doing today is something new. We're doing an outdoor town draft. We're making it competitive.

We're making it about us, not about the towns, because, like, you know, that's really what matters here.

Shawnté Salabert

00:06:12.640 - 00:06:16.440

And about us means about Colin. Just so the list, because I've wanted.

Colin True

00:06:16.440 - 00:06:17.480

To do this for two and a.

Shawnté Salabert

00:06:17.480 - 00:06:19.160

Half years, is your podcast dream.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:06:19.160 - 00:06:25.120

I like the. I like the competition aspect. We are going to get the best list. My list is going to be better than your list.

Shawnté Salabert

00:06:25.990 - 00:06:30.870

The best thing is I don't even know if I did it right. So we're gonna find out as soon as we dig into this.

Colin True

00:06:32.950 - 00:06:45.510

Yeah, I mean, that's it. And neither of you really hesitated when I said we should do this. You're like, all right. Yeah, cool. So I don't feel that bad, Shantay.

Anyway, I know I knew Doug would be on board because he's a sports guy. So he's like, oh, we're doing it. We're doing a fantasy football style draft. I'm in.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:06:45.830 - 00:06:57.600

And I always miss my fantasy baseball draft, which sucks because then autodraft takes the worst players you can imagine. It takes injured players. It takes, you know, it would probably take Gary, Indiana in this draft.

Colin True

00:06:58.640 - 00:07:05.520

You know what we should do for the newsletter is have ChatGPT do an auto draft for the outdoor towns so we can have like, what would that look like?

Shawnté Salabert

00:07:06.080 - 00:07:10.639

Absolutely. It's the one time I sanction your AIUs, Colin. That and the action figures.

Colin True

00:07:11.840 - 00:08:08.230

Well, Rip Rock fight action figures. But today what we're going to do is so we have a three player Snake style draft.

For the uninitiated, that means we're going to go 1, 2, 3, then 3, 2, 1, kind of around in a snake fashion. As we're drafting towns, each player will have a roster of outdoor towns that they have drafted from across the US at the end of this.

And this is an outdoor activity draft. Like, we don't care about how many outdoor brands or companies with cool perks are based in these towns.

We may care a little bit about, like, the hipster coffee or the craft brewery scene, but at the end of the day, this is about the locations that provide awesome access to the outdoors. And after the draft, we'll have our individual rosters of the towns we drafted.

We'll post them to places like LinkedIn and Instagram for the Rock fight listeners to weigh in on who has the best lineup of outdoor towns. Before we get in kind of the specific categories and even more of the rules, let's kind of set the stage here. You Know, Doug, let's start with you.

What are the markers of a great outdoor town?

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:08:09.110 - 00:08:26.770

Oh, that's a great question. I think first of all, access out your door is number one. Everyone wants to have great access. Straight out the back door is great.

Whether that's just a nice park to throw the Frisbee in or whether that's mountain trials, that's good. And then number two, I think is the community, the community of people who are there.

Colin True

00:08:26.850 - 00:08:27.970

Shantay, what about for you?

Shawnté Salabert

00:08:27.970 - 00:08:55.990

I like it.

Okay, so adding on to that, I agree with both of those things, but I think two other things that came to mind for me were access to at least a few kinds of outdoor activities. So not just like, oh, this is a great mountain bike town or oh, you can ski here, but it's got to have a multitude.

I do want to multi sport here and then the ability to recreate year round outdoors in some capacity. So that was my other qualifier is like, all right, can I do things here in the winter if this is known as a summer place, vice versa.

Colin True

00:08:56.150 - 00:09:08.070

And you know, without tipping your hand of who you guys want to draft, you know, I don't think we should reveal who our favorites are here. But what, what are you looking for in your draft picks? Is that kind of what it is? Mostly it's that versatility.

Is versatility kind of the key metric here?

Shawnté Salabert

00:09:09.030 - 00:09:33.390

Yeah, I went. Yeah, I did. I went for versatility.

I also looked in some places, like, are there opportunities to have access to public transportation that gets you outside? Does it have a, like a good outdoor shop in. In some regard that's not a big chain store.

And can you find things within like a, a three hour, two hour drive window that would add on to like just bonus cherry on top stuff?

Colin True

00:09:33.870 - 00:09:34.910

What about for you, Doug?

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:09:35.310 - 00:09:42.430

Boy, Shantae did better research than me. I just thought about places I would love to live or spend some time myself.

Shawnté Salabert

00:09:42.590 - 00:09:46.750

So Doug's personal fantasy draft, places to live.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:09:46.990 - 00:09:55.310

I think building on community, though also a very, you know, community that's going to advocate for their national parks and for public lands and all that's pretty important too.

Colin True

00:09:56.310 - 00:10:18.950

Yeah. And I want to point out the. I kind of making light of it, but you two are the perfect part of the Rock Rock fight team to join in this along with me.

We've, we've lived kind of the three of us between the coasts. We've lived on the east coast, we lived on the west coast and kind of places in between. We've seen a lot of places.

We traveled around a Lot of different spots. You know, I was like, our pal Justin Hausman.

Like, he'd be great if this was, like, a Northern California draft, you know, but, like, you know, I don't know if he'd be able to, like, best.

Shawnté Salabert

00:10:18.950 - 00:10:22.030

Breaks in NorCal, Justin.

Colin True

00:10:22.030 - 00:10:23.750

I mean, do you guys think I've.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:10:23.750 - 00:10:26.880

Got a NorCal town on my. On my board here?

Shawnté Salabert

00:10:26.960 - 00:10:30.400

Oh, intriguing reading. It's reading, isn't it?

Colin True

00:10:30.720 - 00:10:42.000

Do you think the voting audience is going to value the diversity or the variety? Or do you think they'll be looking for the standard, like, you know, 16 different Colorado towns that most people would list? Shots fired at Colorado.

Shawnté Salabert

00:10:42.000 - 00:10:59.080

I feel like people are. Yeah, right. I feel like people are hoping that we won't do that, that they're like, all right, we know the Rock fight well enough at this point.

We know this crew. See if they throw us some curveballs. So I'm hoping. I know. I think I have at least one, if not two curveballs in there.

So I'm curious to see what you guys come up with.

Colin True

00:10:59.960 - 00:11:06.600

Doug, is there a consensus number one town without revealing what you might think it'd be, but do you think there's one? It's like, yeah, like, this is going to be the number one off the board.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:11:07.240 - 00:11:10.600

Yeah. I think I'm pretty predictable in what my number one town is going to be.

Shawnté Salabert

00:11:10.840 - 00:11:12.120

Is it the town you live in?

Colin True

00:11:12.440 - 00:11:13.040

Don't spoil it.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:11:13.040 - 00:11:15.080

Is not. It is not. It is not the town.

Colin True

00:11:16.360 - 00:11:17.720

I thought that's where you're going with that.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:11:18.660 - 00:11:20.020

The town I live in is close. Yes.

Colin True

00:11:20.500 - 00:12:51.440

Okay, so here are the regions we're drafting for. We're each going to make eight picks.

Okay, so we have the Northwest, the Southwest, Mountain region, Upper Midwest, and then South, Central, Midwest, South Central, Midwest being defined as Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, and Arkansas. We did that specifically to kind of break up the Midwest. Otherwise, it's a lot of states. The Southeast, Northeast, Mid Atlantic, in one region.

And then I threw in a wild card. And the wild card can be a town from any region as long as it's in the United States. By the way, the Northwest, that includes Alaska.

And I threw Hawaii. Hawaii in with the Southwest, just because it's, you know, California.

So it's kind of like, all right, we're just gonna lump you in with the Southwest. The size of the town and specific locations don't matter. I think big cities should be considered as much as iconic mountain locations.

And variety and diversity, like we said, is encouraged.

Towns kind of, to Shantae's point, towns that qualify need to have notable access within two to two hours or three or more of the following outdoor activities. There's no, like, one trig pony towns on these lists and no road sports either.

If you're known for road sports, it's like, ah, that's not what this is. This is about dirt stuff.

So snow sports, trails, paddling, mountain biking or gravel riding, climbing, paragliding, fly fishing, peak bagging, all those types of activities are the ones that we're looking for notable access to in our towns.

And then with each draft pick, the drafting player, while you'll talk about why you're choosing that location, what makes that a great outdoor town, and if you have some details, like maybe some local knowledge or what you understand to be local knowledge on, you know, on the town, maybe offer it at that time as well. Any questions on the rules?

Shawnté Salabert

00:12:53.040 - 00:13:10.920

My only question is pro. It's a process question, Colin, because I've never done a even a fantasy draft pick before, so this is my first time doing this.

So are you going to say, all right, I'm, Shantay gets the first draft pick and am I picking a region? Or you're like, we're starting with the Northwest and you're the person who gets to go first.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:13:10.920 - 00:13:11.520

Good question.

Colin True

00:13:11.520 - 00:13:23.020

So good question. I have a little spinner with our names on it. I'm going to spin it, and that will determine the draft order. We'll do it twice.

Go for the first and second pick pick, and then whoever has first pick, you fill in where you want to go.

Shawnté Salabert

00:13:23.260 - 00:13:23.980

Anywhere.

Colin True

00:13:23.980 - 00:13:24.620

Anywhere.

Shawnté Salabert

00:13:24.700 - 00:13:25.500

Oh, my goodness.

Colin True

00:13:25.500 - 00:13:32.700

You take your first pick. I didn't. You know, I would encourage you to take one that would probably be competitive. Right?

Shawnté Salabert

00:13:32.780 - 00:13:33.260

Okay.

Colin True

00:13:33.260 - 00:13:38.220

So. So I think the first pick matters here. I do think it matters if you have the first pick. I have a strategy.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:13:38.540 - 00:13:40.860

We do need to fill in all the regions, right?

Colin True

00:13:41.180 - 00:13:49.220

Yes, yes. I'll write our names in across that little table that's in the outline, and I'll be. I'll be tracking them as you guys pick them. I'll pop it in there.

Okay. And then we'll have our rosters at the end.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:13:49.220 - 00:13:54.840

So it kind of is like a baseball draft where you're going to build every position. How many rounds are we doing? Do we have rounds or.

Colin True

00:13:54.840 - 00:13:56.760

I will go until everybody picks a region.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:13:56.920 - 00:13:57.720

Okay, great.

Colin True

00:13:58.520 - 00:14:03.720

All right, so let's spin to see who has the first pick. You guys ready? I don't know if you can hear that or not.

Shawnté Salabert

00:14:03.720 - 00:14:08.440

Oh, I like that clicking sound. It's very satisfying with the first pick.

Colin True

00:14:08.440 - 00:14:16.200

In the 2025 outdoor town draft, Shantae Salibar will be picking first. Oh, my goodness. Okay, just make sure you see.

Shawnté Salabert

00:14:16.440 - 00:14:19.240

Oh, I see it. And I love was rigged.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:14:19.240 - 00:14:21.320

It was like the Dallas Mavericks. It was rigged.

Colin True

00:14:21.320 - 00:14:21.840

No, right.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:14:21.840 - 00:14:22.680

Commissioner rigged it.

Shawnté Salabert

00:14:22.680 - 00:14:23.150

It's Beau.

Colin True

00:14:23.620 - 00:14:27.140

I can't believe that happened, by the way. Are you kidding me?

Shawnté Salabert

00:14:27.380 - 00:14:39.740

Oh, this is great.

Because I'm probably also just gonna biff it so hard, But I was looking, and I feel like that the thing here is I need to try to get ahead of you guys. Right. Like, this is. We're entering the competition.

Colin True

00:14:39.740 - 00:14:42.260

Sound and trash talking is encouraged, by the way.

Shawnté Salabert

00:14:42.740 - 00:14:46.020

Awesome. I'm warming up. I'm ready for it, I guess.

Colin True

00:14:46.740 - 00:14:48.950

Wait, wait. We gotta get second pick.

Shawnté Salabert

00:14:51.100 - 00:14:52.300

I already don't understand.

Colin True

00:14:53.500 - 00:15:00.220

All right, the second pick in the draft is me. I got the second pick.

Shawnté Salabert

00:15:00.220 - 00:15:01.100

Boo. Boring.

Colin True

00:15:01.260 - 00:15:02.980

All right, I'll take three and four.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:15:02.980 - 00:15:04.500

That's good. I can stack that kind of bum.

Colin True

00:15:04.500 - 00:15:05.580

I wanted first or third.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:15:07.340 - 00:15:09.740

I got three and four. That's all right. Yeah, I'll take it.

Colin True

00:15:10.220 - 00:15:14.940

All right, Doug and Colin. All right, Shantae, you're on the clock.

Shawnté Salabert

00:15:15.220 - 00:15:20.020

Oh, my goodness. Okay, well, I'm going to start with South Central. Whoa.

Colin True

00:15:20.180 - 00:15:25.140

Damn it. I knew this was your. I'm so mad right now. I know what you're gonna take.

Shawnté Salabert

00:15:25.940 - 00:15:27.740

And I did this specifically because I.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:15:27.740 - 00:15:30.780

Knew Colin would be bad strategy. That's good strategy.

Shawnté Salabert

00:15:30.780 - 00:16:16.180

All right, well, we'll see if I picked what you would have picked. I kind of wavered between two specific towns, but they're in the same area. So I think you know exactly where I'm going with this.

I am gonna go with Fayetteville, Arkansas. Yeah, I bet. You see, I was like, fayetteville, Bentonville. Fayetteville, Bentonville.

So I'm sure one of the others is going to come up, but I'm going to go with Fayetteville, mostly because I've been there and I loved it. And I immediately. It's very rare that I go to a place and immediately feel like I could live there. And that's exactly how I felt.

And I'm not even a mountain biker. You know, mountain biking, obviously. Huge northwest Arkansas. And they've just done so much development.

Funny enough, the Waltons of Walmart fame have been one of the big drivers of that, which is fascinating to me.

Colin True

00:16:16.180 - 00:16:17.010

Good night, John boy.

Shawnté Salabert

00:16:17.560 - 00:17:18.870

Yeah. Hi. Yo. But so you've got the Ozarks, and then you're at that little quad intersection of, you know, Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Kansas.

You got it all for me. I Think about also, you know, mountain biking is the thing that people really do. There's hundreds of miles of trail up there.

You got the Ozark Highlands Trail, which has been on my personal bucket list for a while, and they're working on connecting the Ozark Trail, which is up in Missouri, to that. So it's already. Already got a couple hundred miles there. Then it's just going to become huge.

You've got tons of river, rivers, including the Buffalo national river, which is, you know, I think it was the first national scenic river. Great paddling. You've got waterfall hunting down there. You got tons of state parks, Ozark National Forest. Great, great access to local Craigs.

You know, it's not like a massive climbing area as there would be in other parts of the country, but you've got it there. And I do think the outdoor culture in town is great. Packrat Outdoor center is prob. My favorite outdoor shops in the country.

Colin True

00:17:18.950 - 00:17:19.510

Good one.

Shawnté Salabert

00:17:19.670 - 00:17:44.920

Hands down, it looks like if you've never been there, which probably most listeners haven't, it's. It's just this giant wooden cabin just stuffed to the brim. Tons of.

Tons of stuff for paddle sports, tons of stuff for, you know, hiking, camping, everything. I. I also wanted to live inside the Packrat Outdoor Center. So I think specifically I was like, I shall move to Fayetteville and live inside Packrat.

But that is my. That is my number one draft pick.

Colin True

00:17:45.710 - 00:17:47.310

Good. Good call. Good call.

Shawnté Salabert

00:17:47.390 - 00:17:47.830

Thank you.

Colin True

00:17:47.830 - 00:17:50.190

Doug, any thoughts on Fayetteville? I've never been to Fayetteville.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:17:51.150 - 00:18:21.210

I think it's a great pick. Yeah, we were all honing in on there. I think that that region might have some more juice in it as well for some future picks. We'll see what happens.

But I think that, no, I love the way that the whole region has really embraced outdoor recreation. It really values outdoor recreation, understands what kind of culture, economy you can build around it. So, yeah, really good first pick.

Really good first pick.

Colin True

00:18:21.210 - 00:18:21.690

Yes.

Shawnté Salabert

00:18:22.090 - 00:18:26.170

So far, success. It's probably all downhill from here for me, but we'll see.

Colin True

00:18:26.810 - 00:18:38.330

Well, for my first pick in this. In this round, I'm not going to waste the opportunity here. I'm going to go with, I think, which is the other big pick in that area.

I'm going to go with Bentonville, Arkansas.

Shawnté Salabert

00:18:38.410 - 00:18:39.210

Sorry, Doug.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:18:39.290 - 00:18:40.450

Yeah, yeah, that was my pick.

Colin True

00:18:40.450 - 00:19:25.210

Yeah, I. I definitely thought I, you know, it just kind of Bentonville and Fayetteville, I think they kind of echo a lot of the same things. Bentonville.

I did have a moment where I did it. I'VE not been to be Bentonville either. But I was just searching around.

I'm like, are they a bit of a one trick pony because they're so well known for mountain biking. But then if you peel back the onion a little bit, you see just the access and how much is there and the other things you can do.

And Doug, to your point, like, just, it's so cool for the sort of, you know, the flyover country of the US of the middle of the country. And you start to, when you really do, doesn't take much to look at. You find like a lot of really neat and interesting places in much of the Midwest.

I can't wait to talk about the upper Midwest too. And there's just so much stuff happening there that is great if you're an outdoor enthusiast. So. So, yeah, I'll take. I'll take Bentonville, Arkansas.

My. With my number one draft pick. Over to you, Doug. What do you got? You got two. So you get two.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:19:25.210 - 00:20:11.970

That's great. Well, you guys just dumped my South Central pick to the bottom of the draft. Now it's like drafting a catcher or something.

Well, I am going to scoop you guys on the mountain west and I am going to take the, what I believe is the number one pick in the whole draft. I'm going to go with Jackson, Wyoming as my number one pick of outdoor towns. I don't think anybody else beats Jackson.

And for the Tetons, you've got the best skiing in North America there. You've got incredible backcountry skiing. You've got backcountry ski, mountaineering. You've got mountaineering climbing.

You have two national parks right there. You have a wildlife refuge, incredible fly fishing, very underrated mountain biking. There's some great mountain biking right in Jackson.

Colin True

00:20:11.970 - 00:20:12.850

Yeah, there is, actually.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:20:13.010 - 00:20:29.270

Yeah. My buddy Chris Denny took me on a great lot ride there once. I am not sure if all of it was legal, but it was quite good. Not.

Not legal in the fact that they were all trails we were allowed to ride on. I just think we might have ran across some private land at some point.

Colin True

00:20:29.270 - 00:20:30.110

Oh. Oh.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:20:31.710 - 00:20:34.350

Not that I would ever encourage that. I think it was a mistake.

Shawnté Salabert

00:20:35.390 - 00:20:36.830

But yeah, we're here on this podcast.

Colin True

00:20:38.350 - 00:20:40.430

They're coming. The authorities are coming for you, Doug.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:20:40.430 - 00:20:41.070

I am good at.

Colin True

00:20:41.070 - 00:20:45.150

Yeah, Game over. This is the guy we've been looking for for 15 years.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:20:48.030 - 00:21:17.710

I am the 1 worst person in America. I've been told that before about my comments on things. No. And I also think you know what a community. Evan Jackson.

So Many people, despite how expensive it can be, how touristy it can be, you still have the real deal. You still have, you know, people who are getting out there and living an authentic outdoor life, which I think is just amazing.

All seasons, all time of year. Number one.

Colin True

00:21:17.870 - 00:21:45.110

Yeah.

I think if you're going to do kind of a quote unquote, kind of like a chalk pick of like kind of the kind of the big outdoor towns that people think about when they think about outdoor towns, Jackson is the one to make, right? I mean, it's just think about how iconic, the iconic things you can do in Jackson.

If you want to like, climbing the grand is on how many people's lists? You know, even if you're not much of a climber, it might be like, I'd like to climb the grand one day, right? And it just.

That just view of the range, the town, everything. Yeah, totally good. That's a good pick.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:21:45.110 - 00:21:49.890

And we're not going to ruin it. It's not like we can ruin Jackson anymore. E. That's the other thing, right? We're not.

Shawnté Salabert

00:21:49.890 - 00:21:50.330

It's.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:21:50.650 - 00:21:57.290

The thing about these list is like, it's ruined. Like, don't tell anybody to go there. Like, it's ruined already. It's not, it's not wrecked by this list.

Colin True

00:21:58.170 - 00:21:59.850

Shantay, do you have any Jackson thoughts?

Shawnté Salabert

00:22:00.090 - 00:22:39.250

I mean, I've been there. I've been there. I liked it. It just felt, you know, the town itself is way too bougie for me. You know, I had some good coffee there.

But yeah, it was just a jumping off point to get to other places. I actually loved the other side of the Tetons. Like Driggs and Victor, Idaho. Tiny towns, but just much more Chill, chill. Play to place to live.

You still have the access, although when the pass gets snowed in, I guess you can't get into the other side of the mountains. But yeah, I. I much preferred the vibe on the other side. But yeah, the access over there is great.

I did a big loop in that area going up to ended up in Yellowstone. Came back down through Montana. Like. Yeah, great country up there.

Colin True

00:22:39.410 - 00:22:43.170

Yeah. Good pick, Shantae. Oh, no, sorry. Doug, you're second.

Shawnté Salabert

00:22:45.250 - 00:22:46.930

Are we now in the second round?

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:22:47.490 - 00:22:48.690

Are we now in the second round'?

Shawnté Salabert

00:22:49.560 - 00:22:50.520

Second round, so.

Colin True

00:22:50.520 - 00:22:53.400

And then back to me. So I. I'm jumping. I mean, skipped myself there for a second.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:22:53.880 - 00:22:56.960

Boy, the second round. Now this is a tough one. Where can I sneak you guys?

Colin True

00:22:56.960 - 00:22:57.880

I gotta pull up my list.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:22:58.040 - 00:23:12.040

I am gonna. For the second round, I am gonna pick in the. I'm gonna go for the southwest because I wanna pick one of my favorite, personal favorite places.

I am going to take Taos, New Mexico.

Shawnté Salabert

00:23:12.600 - 00:23:13.160

Ooh.

Colin True

00:23:13.240 - 00:23:14.760

Oh, good pick.

Shawnté Salabert

00:23:15.080 - 00:23:17.240

I wasn't expecting that. I like that surprise.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:23:17.560 - 00:24:40.460

It is an easy pick for me. Spe done there. I love the place. I feel like the more time you spend there, the more you get to love it. The skiing is off the hook.

When it gets to the snow, obviously, you've got, you know, rafting. That's great. You've got really good fly fishing in the area that people don't realize as much. The hiking's incredible.

You've got the Rio Grand Del Norte National Monument not far away in Questa, which is a great place for camping and fishing and chilling out. You've got incredible mountain bike.

The mountain bike ride down from the south boundary trail from Angel Fire, New Mexico, down to Taos is one of the best rides you can ever do. And beyond that, what I love about it is even though it's this incredible outdoor town with every sport there, it's also not an outdoor town.

It's an art town. And it is an indigenous town.

You know, it is older than our country with the indigenous people who've lived there for so long, as well as the Spanish speaking population. In fact, I read in the New York Times, northern New Mexico has its own dialect of Spanish that's slowly, slowly dying.

And to top it all off, the food is some of my favorite in the whole world.

Shawnté Salabert

00:24:40.940 - 00:24:49.260

Oh, yeah. I can get behind that for sure now. I'm just. I'm like, got a vision of a burrito in my head.

While you were talking, I started just thinking about chiles.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:24:50.560 - 00:24:58.760

You get the green chili. The green chili croissant from Michael's Bakery is one of my. We are doc. Just for that. Yeah.

Shawnté Salabert

00:24:58.760 - 00:25:04.920

Oh, no. We do have to go that deep here. I can't even have gluten, so I shouldn't be thinking about this, but I'm going to be thinking about this.

Thanks, Doug.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:25:04.920 - 00:25:06.440

There's no gluten in a croissant. Come on.

Shawnté Salabert

00:25:06.440 - 00:25:07.200

My stomach hurts.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:25:07.280 - 00:25:08.800

There's no gluten in a croissant.

Shawnté Salabert

00:25:09.360 - 00:25:15.600

Oh, that's. Oh, thank you. Well, Doug said that's a munch show for later in the day. But Doug said.

Colin True

00:25:16.560 - 00:25:23.520

All right, for my second pick, this is my. Definitely my kind of chalkiest pick. And I am sorry, your whatiest pick.

Shawnté Salabert

00:25:23.520 - 00:25:25.440

Was that chonkiest chalk?

Colin True

00:25:25.440 - 00:25:57.960

Chalkiest. It's like chalk is like. Yeah, like, just like. It's the typical. Like more. More basic typical. Like the one everybody might expect you to say.

So I'm going for my mountain region and I'm doing Moab, Utah basic. I. For my money, Moab is the best mountain town in the world. I think it's better than anything in Europe. Because you know what the Alps don't have?

They don't have red rock. Okay. They don't have arches. They don't have those incredible vistas. Oh, and by. You know what else they have?

It's kind of like being at the Grand Canyon. But you know what else is in Moab? 13,000 foot, snow capped Lasalle mountain range right behind it.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:25:58.120 - 00:25:58.480

Yeah.

Colin True

00:25:58.480 - 00:26:19.360

So it's. I tell people all the time, like, hey, if you're gonna go to the Grand Canyon, make sure you go in the Grand Canyon.

If you're gonna pull, you're gonna drive all the way up there and just go like, look at it. Just go to Moab. Because not only do you get kind of a similar red rock, it's not the same, but you want to have a.

You can have an up close red rock experience with a much better view. Oh, and by the way, you know what else is great? The town fucking rules too. I love Moab.

Shawnté Salabert

00:26:19.760 - 00:26:23.120

Gluten free pizza I've ever had is at a place in Moab.

Colin True

00:26:23.120 - 00:26:23.600

Come on.

Shawnté Salabert

00:26:23.600 - 00:26:24.720

No joke. Yep.

Colin True

00:26:24.720 - 00:26:49.420

And again, back to kind of saying like the iconic things you can do there, the mountain biking get to do there just be the trails that are there, the. The national parks and the proximity to that whole area. Yeah.

I mean, you can obviously make a case for a lot of other things, like, you know, Doug waxing poetic about Townsend everything. But like, I just, just love Moab. That place imprinted on me the first time I went there.

And it is absolutely just one of my favorite, most special places in the world. So that's what I'm going.

Shawnté Salabert

00:26:49.420 - 00:26:52.940

You didn't even mention the river. I mean, the river. The river is great too. Wow.

Colin True

00:26:53.020 - 00:26:57.820

Colin, you can do rafting. I've got. I got hypothermia in that river once. This is great.

Shawnté Salabert

00:26:58.220 - 00:26:59.500

How. What were you doing?

Colin True

00:26:59.740 - 00:27:00.780

You know what I was doing?

Shawnté Salabert

00:27:01.740 - 00:27:02.380

Drowning.

Colin True

00:27:02.540 - 00:27:03.820

I was doing an adventure race.

Shawnté Salabert

00:27:05.740 - 00:27:08.910

This does not inspire confidence for the future. Rock Fight Adventure Race team.

Colin True

00:27:09.540 - 00:27:24.100

The sun was out in the morning and we're like, ah. We went light and then the sun went away and we had a much longer paddle than we anticipated with a much rougher water.

And we got very, very wet and I got very, very cold. Yeah, that's my second pick.

Shawnté Salabert

00:27:24.420 - 00:27:37.550

All right, well, it's a good Pick. I mean, I love Moab, so I cannot complain. I usually go at least once a year. It's the.

I almost broke my entire body there once mountain biking before I knew how to mountain bike over rocks. Yeah. So, I mean, do you.

Colin True

00:27:37.550 - 00:27:43.790

Are you an outdoorsy person? Until you have a something bad happen to me in Moab story. Like, we all. It's kind of a requirement. Fair.

Shawnté Salabert

00:27:43.790 - 00:27:47.830

Fair. I feel like I really achieved something when I did that, so.

Colin True

00:27:48.470 - 00:27:49.990

All right, Shantae, you have two picks.

Shawnté Salabert

00:27:50.150 - 00:27:53.430

Ooh. Oh, the power. Doug, did you feel this when it was your turn?

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:27:54.150 - 00:27:59.190

It's awesome because now I said I'm bummed I got second you can take. Yeah, second kind of sucks.

Shawnté Salabert

00:27:59.350 - 00:28:32.610

Yeah, you don't get any back to backs, Colin, but we do. All right, well, I am going to start with the home range for me, which is the upper.

And I had a little battle royale in my head when I was thinking about the two places. And judging from Colin's face, I think I'm really worried what you're about to say. I just assume I'm going to pick his place.

So I thought about picking a place in which I lived for a point of time and I loved and I almost stayed in, but I didn't. I went with a place that I think that if I was moving back to the Midwest, I would move here, which is Duluth, Minnesota.

Colin True

00:28:32.610 - 00:28:39.860

Fucking hell. Are you fucking kidding me? God damn it. God damn it. I should have taken that last round. But neither know we're going to take Moab.

Shawnté Salabert

00:28:40.180 - 00:29:55.490

Oh, wow. I feel so good. Okay. Duluth is a great town. You. First of all, let's just knock it right out of the bat. It's right on Lake Superior.

So you've got Apostle Islands National Lakeshore right up there. Isle Royale national park, just a little further north. You've got.

For me, one of the big draws is the 300 mile Superior Hiking Trail, whose acronym is SHT, which might be the worst or best, best trail acronym I've ever seen, because every single time I see it somewhere, I just think, shit. But it starts just outside of town. Like, you just start just like southwest of Duluth.

You've got ice climbing in town, you've got bouldering in town, skiing just outside of town, downhill and cross country. You got tons of single track for mountain biking, which, including the Duluth Traverse, which goes right through town. The St.

Louis River Estuary National Water Trail, right through town. It's like as far as out your back door. What Doug was talk talking about in the upper Midwest, like, this is where it's at. I just.

You've got waterfalls nearby, all sorts of stuff. You could do all sorts of great snow sports in the winter. Great place to be in the summer. Yeah. I can't. I can't. I. You know, my. My hometown pick.

I just couldn't do it. I was like, I got to go Duluth. Sorry, Colin. Not sorry.

Colin True

00:29:55.730 - 00:30:21.180

And by the way, some of those, like, it's just the coolest place. I mean, like, some of those cross country ski trails, they're lit up in the wintertime.

Like, they're like, there's, like lights strung up and that tip of. And I know you can go to a lot of rich, cool places on Lake Superior, but there's just something. But you feel like, are you in Nazare?

Like, where are you? I mean, it's just something with the. With the cliffs kind of coming out of the water. It's just. I love Duluth. You're absolutely right.

If you're like, hey, go live in the Midwest. I'm like, I will happily live in Duluth, Minnesota.

Shawnté Salabert

00:30:21.180 - 00:30:24.860

Yeah. Gorgeous up there. I mean, just the lakeshore alone is so beautiful. So.

Colin True

00:30:24.860 - 00:30:27.460

Yeah. Doug, any Duluth thoughts?

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:30:28.420 - 00:30:30.180

I was going to pick it, too. So we're all.

Colin True

00:30:32.500 - 00:30:34.460

You and I are Duluth getting some love you.

Shawnté Salabert

00:30:34.460 - 00:30:37.390

And I've never done a draft before. I think of June Hall. Right, Right.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:30:37.390 - 00:30:45.110

No, you're doing all right. You're not taking the power hitters, you're not getting the big stats, but you're filling in at the hard to fill in positions.

Shawnté Salabert

00:30:45.750 - 00:30:49.990

Wait, who's getting the power hitters here? Is it Colin for choosing Moab and you for choosing Jackson?

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:30:50.150 - 00:30:52.630

We got the big stats guys. Yeah.

Shawnté Salabert

00:30:52.630 - 00:30:53.030

Boring.

Colin True

00:30:53.190 - 00:30:56.750

You got to have places. Everybody already knows a couple of the classics on.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:30:56.750 - 00:30:59.590

Yeah, you need to. Yeah, we need to appease the listeners.

Colin True

00:31:00.150 - 00:31:02.310

Don't I have some weird ones? I have a couple weird ones coming.

Shawnté Salabert

00:31:02.310 - 00:31:02.590

Okay.

Colin True

00:31:02.590 - 00:31:03.070

Don't worry.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:31:03.070 - 00:31:03.910

I got stuck with.

Colin True

00:31:04.150 - 00:31:05.990

Especially now that you took Duluth. I definitely.

Shawnté Salabert

00:31:06.150 - 00:31:08.010

Now you got to really dig in or dig in deep.

Colin True

00:31:08.490 - 00:31:11.010

All right, what's your second one in the. In the turn here?

Shawnté Salabert

00:31:11.010 - 00:32:48.110

Oh, the thrill of another turn. All right, well, I am going to now venture over to the Northwest, and I am actually going to choose. I thought about this real hard.

I thought about places I've been. I thought about things I've done while I've been in those places. And which place felt like it gave me the most access easily. Portland.

Portland, Oregon. I. The city itself. You just start right in the city.

My very first impression of Portland the first time I went many Years ago was the Willamette River. You've got parkland right on it. I remember doing urban hiking in that city and just loving it.

You've got Forest park there, which is this like 5,000 plus acre city park. That's bonkers. I don't know if you guys have ever been in it, but it's just gorgeous.

Lives up to the name Mount Tabor right in town, where you can kind of hike up this swirly trail and get good view right in town. And then, of course, you've got to think about. You got the Columbia River Gorge. I've been whitewater rafting on the white salmon over there.

Gifford Pinchot National Forest is just north. That is like, if you think everything in the gorge is run over, go up to the Gifford Pinchot. You got fishing up there.

You've got plenty of hiking, backpacking, everything. Mountain biking, whatnot. Mount Hood is an hour away. The coast is an hour and a half away.

People do surf the Oregon coast, you know, there's like, hardy people. Maybe Houseman would be into that. You rock climb. Yeah. There's everything. It's just to me, Portland. And then I like.

I've taken public transportation from the airport in Portland all the way into the gorge. So there's ways to get outside here that you don't even need a car for. So I am all in. I love going to Portland. I go there a ton. Plus, the food.

I that the food scene in that city has been and is unbeatable. It's so great for a city that size or any city, really.

Colin True

00:32:48.430 - 00:32:52.110

Did you guys hear that? Well, producer Dave cheering in the background.

Shawnté Salabert

00:32:52.110 - 00:32:57.950

From Portland with his fit socks. Yeah, he's dancing. Smiley face socks.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:32:58.109 - 00:33:01.950

Portland kicks ass. Plus, it's Portland. Portlandia.

Colin True

00:33:02.350 - 00:33:02.830

Yes.

Shawnté Salabert

00:33:03.150 - 00:33:05.390

Can you put a bird on it? Yeah, you can.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:33:05.710 - 00:33:06.990

You can pickle that, too.

Shawnté Salabert

00:33:07.790 - 00:33:08.800

Yes, you can. Can.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:33:08.800 - 00:33:24.799

Yeah. Just had a great trip there recently, too, and really appreciated. Yeah.

Went to an incredible vegan Vietnamese place and we went hiking right near Tyron Creek State Natural Area. Right, like right there near Lake Oswego. And it was absolutely beautiful right in town. Good. Good choice.

Shawnté Salabert

00:33:25.440 - 00:33:25.880

Thank you.

Colin True

00:33:25.880 - 00:33:49.720

Yeah, it's hard to not think of Cascadia in general. If you were going to, like, rate the regions and just say, like, how could you not go number one overall draft? I mean, there's just so much.

The Northwest is incredible. It really is. And so scenic and beautiful. Which is why for my second, my third pick. Excuse me. I will stay in the Northwest and build on. Yes.

And a little bit of what you said, but I think I'd still like my pick a little bit more. I'm going with Hood River, Oregon.

Shawnté Salabert

00:33:49.879 - 00:33:51.320

Yeah, you know, good one.

Colin True

00:33:51.560 - 00:34:36.690

Not mad at that because it's a classic. It's like being in a classic mountain town. Like, you know, some of the more iconic ones, only you have oxygen because it's at a lower elevation.

Access. You mentioned Hood, but also St. Helens, Adams, all, you know, central. Basically, you're central to all of Cascadia when you're.

When you're in that area. Easy access to a major city in Portland and pdx. But you got mountain biking, there's multiple types of paddling, skiing, alpinism.

And it doesn't, you know, and you mentioned it. From there, it's a little far for our rules, but it's two and a half hours to Cannon beach, but you can do it in a day. And like I said, just the.

The natural beauty of the Northwest and the Columbia River Gorge in general is just stunning. So, you know, you said most of it with Portland, but I think Hood river would be my choice.

Hood River's definitely a place where it'd be like, ah, you could just settle in little. A little spot and. And be quite happy.

Shawnté Salabert

00:34:36.850 - 00:34:57.330

It's a good spot. I took. When I took the public transportation from the airport, I took it to Hood river and I was there for a wedding, which was fantastic.

And the morning of the wedding is when we. When we went whitewater rafting. Yeah, absolutely. Great place. Yeah, I know. Oh, it was. It was bitching.

But, yeah, I did some trail running, like when I was out there. It was so nice just being along the river. Yeah. Good choice. Not mad.

Colin True

00:34:58.290 - 00:34:59.660

All right, Doug, you got two, too.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:35:00.140 - 00:35:03.340

You are in the worst part of this Human Centipede, aren't you? You could just get.

Colin True

00:35:03.740 - 00:35:10.780

I am in the worst part of the Human Centipede. Another. Another podcast where a poo reference came up with Shantae.

Shawnté Salabert

00:35:10.780 - 00:35:19.020

So that's how it's. That's my requirements for staying in the Rock Fight Network. It's written into my ride anytime I'm on a podcast.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:35:19.260 - 00:35:27.830

Yeah, I am gonna have to hop in the Northeast here before you guys take this. And I'm going to go with North Conway, New Hampshire.

Shawnté Salabert

00:35:27.830 - 00:35:28.390

Damn it.

Colin True

00:35:28.390 - 00:35:30.390

God damn it. Is that yours, too?

Shawnté Salabert

00:35:31.270 - 00:35:32.310

That was my pick, too.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:35:33.590 - 00:35:55.830

Had to get that from undo. Yeah. No, I mean a great place. I went to school at Boston University, lived in Boston for a while, and it was the place we would head all the time.

Unpopular opinion. I went to New Hampshire a lot more than Vermont, partly because New Hampshire rules. I'm a big New Hampshire fan. I really love New Hampshire.

Love the mountains. Love the.

Colin True

00:35:55.830 - 00:35:56.550

The free or die.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:35:56.550 - 00:36:36.660

You love the whites, love Mount Washington. I've hiked it several different ways. Love the hut system. The AMC hut system is just incredible.

The traditions they have, the people who work there stealing things from each other. You can hike into the alpine, which you can't do anywhere else in the Northeast. There's skiing. There's incredible cross country skiing.

I've gone on some great backpacking trips. You can find wilderness in surprising spots. Off the grid. Mountain biking not too far away.

I think just about everything you want in North Conway, New Hampshire.

Colin True

00:36:38.020 - 00:36:54.560

Yep. That was my. I mean, I would have had to have gone if I had the opportunity, just because New Hampshire means too much to my own personal history.

And I love it so much. And North Conway, being it, plays a big role in that.

But you did leave out probably the most, you know, hardcore activity that you can do, especially around North Conway one time a year. And that is leafpeak.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:36:55.190 - 00:36:55.590

Oh, yeah.

Shawnté Salabert

00:36:55.590 - 00:36:57.750

Leaf peeping. So intense.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:36:57.750 - 00:36:58.790

Everyone likes to peep.

Shawnté Salabert

00:37:03.750 - 00:37:07.950

I do. I have a. Do I like to peep? What do you ask? I love to peep.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:37:07.950 - 00:37:08.350

Do you?

Shawnté Salabert

00:37:08.350 - 00:37:12.310

It's true. Yeah. I feel real aggressive about it. I grew up in the Midwest. That's what you do.

Colin True

00:37:13.030 - 00:37:16.070

Doug did North Conway. That was going to be your choice too.

Shawnté Salabert

00:37:16.070 - 00:37:54.450

That was my pick too. I mean, you know, I. I have. I have a backup in there. And it's going to be a bit of a curveball. Backup. But I was running through my.

I'm thinking about all the places I used to live in New York. So I'm familia with that part of the country. And I. Yeah, I mean, I can't. Like, for me, North Conway is about having that.

It's another place I've thought about. If I moved. I live in LA now, Pasadena. If I moved east, you know, somewhere over there you do get those mountain views. You get the mountain town vibe.

You get the like classic hiking Appalachian Trail right there. You know, some of the wildest weather in the country, of course, in the whites. So, yeah, that was absolutely on my list. I am, I am. Good job, Doug.

Good job scooping us.

Colin True

00:37:55.190 - 00:37:56.630

Yeah, man, this is rough.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:37:57.190 - 00:37:58.750

And I get another pick here, don't I?

Colin True

00:37:58.750 - 00:37:59.670

Yeah, you get another one.

Shawnté Salabert

00:37:59.670 - 00:38:00.390

Now I'm scared.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:38:00.470 - 00:38:10.070

All right, I'm going to go for the Southeast, but I'm going to spare you guys from the super obvious pick. And I am going to take Damascus, Virginia.

Colin True

00:38:10.710 - 00:38:13.350

Ooh, that wasn't even on my board. That's a great pick.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:38:14.230 - 00:38:52.100

I'm going to take Damascus to give us a little variation. I think that, you know, Damascus is going to have a good season this year. I think the stats are going to come up a bit.

No, I think what I love about Damascus is its placement right along the Appalachian Trail. I mean, it's not really a. It's not a one trick town, but maybe more so than some. Than some of the places we're picking.

But it's such an integral part of outdoor culture with trail days with how many hikers and through hikers on the AT who come through there and how much the town embraces them. So that is my pick for Damascus. I also also thought I'd go easy for you guys on the obvious southeast pick. So there's actually.

Colin True

00:38:52.100 - 00:38:53.580

I think the Southeast is. Is pretty.

Shawnté Salabert

00:38:55.820 - 00:39:04.540

I thought hard before making my pick there, so that's a good one. Though I did consider Damascus just for trail days and Appalachian and everything. But thank you for not picking my pick.

Colin True

00:39:05.980 - 00:39:08.860

That would have been like third in a row. Like, oh, my God, I'm just getting decimated here.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:39:09.900 - 00:39:15.240

Wait, can I just say that I just looked on my computer and a window is open that says outdoor activities in Eli, Minnesota. Soda.

Shawnté Salabert

00:39:15.720 - 00:39:19.480

Oh, are you. Are you scrambling? Because of Duth?

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:39:20.680 - 00:39:21.560

That threw me off.

Shawnté Salabert

00:39:22.040 - 00:39:23.240

Loss of Duth.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:39:23.320 - 00:39:27.240

Yes. We got the researchers. The interns are looking for a new pick now.

Colin True

00:39:28.360 - 00:39:37.000

Okay, so I have five spots left. I think I feel pretty good about the choices I want to have in all of them. So this is going to be my weird one, which I've been to this town once.

Shawnté Salabert

00:39:37.080 - 00:39:42.160

Wait, just to drive through. Oh, it is you. That's right. Cuz you're pickle in the middle. Sorry, I forgot.

Colin True

00:39:42.160 - 00:39:43.000

Pickle in the middle. Forgot.

Shawnté Salabert

00:39:43.000 - 00:39:44.320

You get your one poultry choice.

Colin True

00:39:44.320 - 00:39:47.220

Is that a T shirt? We're going to make the rock fight draft.

Shawnté Salabert

00:39:47.220 - 00:39:50.740

Pickle in the middle gonna make you a T shirt.

Colin True

00:39:51.780 - 00:40:08.460

But I, you know, I wanted to do something, especially since Delu off the board and I had a couple of other ones that were obvious. And we'll do some honorable mentions too, because there's gonna be plenty of towns that probably we don't get a chance to mention.

We want to make sure we definitely reference them because they. There's. There's just too many good ones. But I'm gonna put Des Moines, Iowa on my. On my list.

Shawnté Salabert

00:40:08.460 - 00:40:08.820

O.

Colin True

00:40:09.700 - 00:40:54.540

And yeah, it's. It's actually a sneaky good outdoor town. Number one, you have a Lot of paddle sports.

You're right on the river, there's a huge gravel scene, there's mountain biking. You're not that far from some climbing areas, a little outside the two hour window that we set in the front, but there it does exist in that area.

Some bouldering areas and things like that. And it's got a great town. And I just felt like, you know, I wanted once I sort of, once I couldn't have Duluth.

I'm like, you know, I could go with a couple more obvious ones. Doug hasn't drafted that one yet, so I don't want to mention anybody else, give him any ideas.

But I just wanted to figure this is like let's give, let's give some love to the, the Iowas, the Nebraska's, the Kansas is here. You know, like there's good stuff to do in all of those states and I wanted to make sure we represented them here on the pod today.

So Des Moines, you're in. You're on, you're on the team.

Shawnté Salabert

00:40:54.700 - 00:40:58.940

Wow. Quad Cities represent. That's so nice of you. Very thoughtful.

Colin True

00:40:59.420 - 00:41:04.140

Did you hear that? Des Moines? Shantae thinks you're shit. Did you hear that? Did you hear that? Did you hear that tone?

Shawnté Salabert

00:41:04.380 - 00:41:07.100

This feels a lot like you throwing me under the bus with Owen.

Colin True

00:41:07.660 - 00:41:08.620

No, this is way worse.

Shawnté Salabert

00:41:09.100 - 00:41:11.660

This is way worse because now I'm going to have an entire state coming.

Colin True

00:41:11.740 - 00:41:12.300

That's right.

Shawnté Salabert

00:41:12.460 - 00:41:13.420

Thanks, Colin.

Colin True

00:41:13.740 - 00:41:15.180

Iowa versus Dyshante.

Shawnté Salabert

00:41:15.180 - 00:41:30.250

I went to Iowa. Actually, I've been to Iowa many times. I went to college in Madison and my best friend went to college in Carbondale. So Southern Illinois. Illinois.

We spent an inordinate amount and she went to Coke or no, she went to Coke college in Iowa. She went to grad school in Carbondale. Anyway, spent a lot of time in Iowa. Quite pretty there.

Colin True

00:41:33.530 - 00:42:50.310

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Shawnté Salabert

00:42:50.310 - 00:42:51.470

All right, so it's me.

Colin True

00:42:51.790 - 00:42:53.950

You can't have Des Moines, so just letting you know.

Shawnté Salabert

00:42:54.270 - 00:42:54.990

Damn it.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:42:55.310 - 00:42:57.790

Oh, that's. Thank you. That guy. Yeah, that was a tough one.

Shawnté Salabert

00:42:58.350 - 00:43:41.970

All right, all right. For my first here, I am going to travel over to the Southwest. I think Colin already knows what I'm going to say.

And I'm going to say something that every time when I first started going to OR and I had my name tag on, people would give me so much shit. And it's Los Angeles. It's where I've lived for the last, you know, I don't know, 17 years.

And people constantly at or, you know, this big outdoor, outdoor retailer. Everybody's like, I live in Bend. I live in Jackson. I live in Moab. Why would you live in LA if you like the outdoors? Well, let me tell you.

First of all, we have a climate where you could be outside year round. You can literally ski in snow in the same day if that's your vibe. Or ski in snow. You can ski in snow and surf.

Colin True

00:43:41.970 - 00:43:44.790

I hope you can ski in snow on the same day. That would be weird.

Shawnté Salabert

00:43:45.030 - 00:45:11.910

I literally wrote down in my notes, you can absolutely ski and snow in the same day. I don't know what your magical powers of weathering are, but you could ski and surf on the same day for sure.

So a little dawn patrol, then hit the slopes. We've got massive outdoor communities here. Trail running is a huge thing here. I did my first trail races.

We're all here in Southern California with stupid amounts of elevation gain because Shantae did not look at the the course before signing up. We've got mountain biking. You got paddle sports. Of course. We have the Pacific Oce right there. You've got the, the desert nearby.

You've got the Transverse Ranges. That's the Santa Monica Mountains, the San Gabriel Mountains. The PCT runs just north of town.

You can Ski at Mount Baldy Mountain High, so smaller resorts, but you can get out there and do snow sports. You've got bouldering.

Stony Point is where the Stone Masters cut their teeth before getting up to Yosemite and doing all that groundbreaking stuff back in the day.

So this, you know, kind of grappling little park in Chatsworth where the rocks are covered in graffiti, but that's where I learned how to set up anchors and do all of that stuff. You got Joshua Tree, two hours east, Channel Islands, you know, just over off of Ventura, Oxnard area.

There's even more if you're willing to put a couple hours into the car. Tons of national parks, but la. I'm outside every single day in la. I hike, I trail run, I do so many things here.

I really feel like it doesn't get enough love for being the outdoor town that it actually.

Colin True

00:45:13.020 - 00:45:13.500

Well said.

Shawnté Salabert

00:45:14.460 - 00:45:22.140

And I'm sticking to it. Fight me. Send your emails to mybrockfight.com and direct them all at Colin, because I don't want to read your BS if you don't like it.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:45:22.300 - 00:45:25.020

And you have a hell of a. And the best music scene.

Shawnté Salabert

00:45:25.900 - 00:45:27.060

We have a great music scene.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:45:27.060 - 00:45:27.420

Yeah.

Shawnté Salabert

00:45:28.540 - 00:45:40.440

I mean, don't mess with our Mexican food. Like. Yeah, we got it going on. The arts and culture scene here is bonkers. It's a great place to live.

I'm in Pasadena now, but I lived in LA itself for 15 years and it was a wonderful time.

Colin True

00:45:40.440 - 00:45:48.160

I know this is a competitive event we're having here today, but having New Mexico and Southern California represented on this list means that we're eating well, so.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:45:48.160 - 00:45:48.760

That's right.

Shawnté Salabert

00:45:50.520 - 00:45:55.160

And Portland. And Portland. Plus we're highly caffeinated.

Colin True

00:45:55.160 - 00:45:58.400

Then you got one more kid. What's your next. What's your second?

Shawnté Salabert

00:45:58.400 - 00:47:25.710

Oh, that's exciting. Okay, so, all right, there's two different places I could go with this. I'm going to go back down to the Southeast.

Um, so I thought about what I think we're all thinking is the obvious answer here. And I decided not to do that town. And I'm going to Chattanooga, Tennessee instead.

Um, I apparently, like, for me, urban nature is a big deal and here's a great town for it. So it's less a mountain town than it is a city that has the outdoor access. Right.

But you've got, you know, it's surrounded by state parks, national forests. You got the Tennessee flowing right through downtown. Stand up paddle boarding is huge.

But you could go right outside of town, not very far, and you get white water. So if you're into rapid rafting of things, kayaking, bonkers, rock climbing in the area.

You've got these great sandstone cliffs and then you can head down to like less than two hours from town. Go down to horse pens. 41 of the biggest, most world class bouldering areas. Most world class in the world. So you got that nearby mountain bike scene.

They've been putting in a lot of work to build single track around town. You got local peaks. If you're a peak bagger, look out mountain, Raccoon Mountain, popular, you know, go after work or whatever, hang out, out.

Tons of caving in the area. We haven't really talked about caving, but that's a big deal in that part of the country.

So I feel like Chattanooga, like Asheville gets all the shine. But Chattanooga is also just put in the real, like grit work in making it.

Making a really good outdoor town and really investing in the town, I think. So I'm going to give a little. A little love to Chattanooga, Tennessee.

Colin True

00:47:25.710 - 00:47:27.310

Love Chattanooga. Spent a bunch of my.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:47:27.390 - 00:47:28.830

Nice pick. Yeah, good pick.

Colin True

00:47:29.470 - 00:47:39.130

Yeah. Best man at my wedding lives there. When I was looking for Polar Tech, they had a mill nearby, so we would go down there quite a bit.

And I spent a lot of time with Tennessee regardless. But yeah, good pick.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:47:39.370 - 00:47:42.130

Also paddling, paddling culture and community there as well.

Colin True

00:47:42.130 - 00:47:51.250

Southeast paddling is big deal. Well, let's. Speaking of the Southeast, let's stay in the Southeast. And so this will be the last Southeast pick, right? Did we add any other.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:47:51.250 - 00:47:51.970

You going to do it?

Colin True

00:47:51.970 - 00:47:53.530

This is the first time we're closing it out.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:47:53.690 - 00:47:54.570

You going to do it?

Colin True

00:47:54.650 - 00:48:10.480

Well, we're going to talk about a town that's close to the Smoky Mountains. Town where you can paddle, you can bike, you can rock climb. It's all sorts of things. But we are not, I'm sorry.

Friends at Darby talking about Asheville, North Carolina. We are talking about Knoxville, Tennessee.

Shawnté Salabert

00:48:10.800 - 00:48:12.000

I thought you were going to say Boone.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:48:12.160 - 00:48:14.960

So Asheville becomes the shedur Sanders of our draft.

Colin True

00:48:16.640 - 00:48:18.240

Better luck next year, Ashville.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:48:18.320 - 00:48:23.120

Asheville's just sitting there waiting for the call. Someone from Darby just pranked them.

Colin True

00:48:23.920 - 00:48:30.120

I think Knoxville is the better town to visit the Smokies. Yes. You have the beautiful drive and Asheville that it's known for.

Shawnté Salabert

00:48:30.120 - 00:48:30.520

But it's like.

Colin True

00:48:30.520 - 00:49:22.070

But it's like, I don't. Are you really that cool if you're known for your drive to the national park? Like, come on, let's get. Talk about. Let's get to.

Let's get to the national national park and let's get outside, which is what you can do better on the Knoxville side of things. Also, let's talk about some other things that are nearby in Knoxville. You ever been to a Panther Creek State Park? The Cherokee Reservoir. Holy.

Is that place awesome. Nearby you got Fall Creek Falls, Huge waterfall. My first adventure raised Shantae. I did it.

We had a free rappel off of the falls that the rope ended about 10ft above the water. You just had to, like, let go and fall into this deep pool of water. It was incredible. Incredible.

So I have always been a Knoxville person because they also have my favorite specialty shop of all time, which is Shout out to Ed McAllister and River Sports, an incredible store. You know, again, the Southeast is probably the region that they have the best specialty accounts. They have so much diversity.

Shawnté Salabert

00:49:22.150 - 00:49:22.750

Totally.

Colin True

00:49:22.750 - 00:49:39.840

And is so easy. I mean, even the Northeast, I feel like it gets overlooked quite a bit as well.

But the Southeast, by the sort of of, you know, the institution here in the west probably looks down their nose a bit at the Southeast, and I think the Southeast is dope as shit. So I am happy to throw Knoxville, Tennessee onto my team.

Shawnté Salabert

00:49:39.840 - 00:49:42.200

All right. Not too shabby. I'll. I'll go with that. I love it.

Colin True

00:49:42.200 - 00:49:43.120

Doug, you got two.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:49:43.760 - 00:50:05.340

I've got two. Fantastic. What regions are we looking at here? We got all the good regions. I am going to go with one that I know is going to surprise you guys.

For the Northwest, it is. You know, I went to grad school in Seattle, so I spent a lot of time in the Cascades. I'm going to go with.

Let's see if you can even spell this, Colin. Clay Ellum, Washington.

Shawnté Salabert

00:50:05.500 - 00:50:06.700

Clay Ellum.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:50:06.860 - 00:50:07.940

Clay Ellum, Washington.

Shawnté Salabert

00:50:07.940 - 00:50:08.620

That's niche.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:50:08.860 - 00:50:38.600

Yeah, yeah, it's on. It's on i90. It's not that far from Seattle. It is on the eastern side of the Cascades. A little drier. There is fantastic mountain biking there.

There's incredible access to wilderness, to backpacking. There's great hiking, backcountry skiing.

You know, it's a little town on the dry side of the Cascades that does not get as much love as I think it should. And I've had many a great adventure there when I lived in Seattle.

Colin True

00:50:39.000 - 00:50:42.960

It's an awesome spot. Yeah, I lived in Washington for six years, so, yeah, that's why.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:50:42.960 - 00:50:53.010

All right, so you can spell it. All right. And I've got another pick. I've got another pick here between South Central and Upper Midwest. Let me look. Let's confer and see what we got.

On the draft board.

Colin True

00:50:53.800 - 00:50:54.680

Just take Austin.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:50:56.840 - 00:51:00.360

No, I am not. Okay. You want me to go to South Central?

Colin True

00:51:00.360 - 00:51:01.880

No, no, you just do what you want to do.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:51:01.880 - 00:51:12.520

I'm going to go to South Central. I'm going to take one that I do not think again. That I don't think you know of. I'm going to take Marathon, Texas as my South Central pick.

Colin True

00:51:12.680 - 00:51:13.800

Spelled like Marathon.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:51:14.760 - 00:51:15.120

Yes.

Shawnté Salabert

00:51:15.120 - 00:51:16.520

No, spelled like Marathon.

Colin True

00:51:17.000 - 00:51:17.800

Just making sure.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:51:19.000 - 00:51:19.480

Yes.

Shawnté Salabert

00:51:19.720 - 00:51:22.200

Two N's and an E. It's French.

Colin True

00:51:22.720 - 00:51:23.280

Marathon.

Shawnté Salabert

00:51:23.520 - 00:51:24.240

Marathon.

Colin True

00:51:25.680 - 00:51:27.360

You're right. I'm not familiar with Marathon, Texas.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:51:27.360 - 00:51:29.440

You know, gateway to big. I looked at this region.

Shawnté Salabert

00:51:29.520 - 00:51:30.480

Is it Big Bend?

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:51:30.480 - 00:52:13.540

Gateway to Big Bend national park, which is one of the most fantastic national parks in the country. Doesn't get the love it deserves. You know, there is incredible hiking, backpacking, paddling, road riding. Good road riding in that area, too.

And especially, I'll say this for my son, big bird watcher, there's incredible birding down there in Big Bend as well. You get a taste of the Chihuahuan Desert, which is one of the five major American deserts and the ones that I think we.

We explore the least, which is really cool. And I think it's also important to call out public lands in the state of Texas where there just aren't enough of them.

Especially when we're having a lot of talks about public lands right now.

Colin True

00:52:13.540 - 00:52:14.020

Yeah.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:52:14.660 - 00:52:25.490

Take away public lands. And I don't know where all these people, people from Texas who come to Colorado are going to do, because that's what they come here for.

But great spot. Doesn't get enough. Love Marathon, Texas.

Shawnté Salabert

00:52:26.690 - 00:52:39.170

I love that. I love, like a real left field choice there, but not really.

If you live in the area, I think you'd know, like, that is a really special part of the country and. And very criminally under. Under loved. So I'm sure even by Texans.

Colin True

00:52:40.130 - 00:52:53.890

Just looking at our list, I think Shantae's was the more of the more corporation kind of driven big cities, you know, like, you're like the billionaire of the draft right here, Shant. Like, it's like we've got. I got Des Moines, Doug's got Marathon. You're like, I think you're going to be.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:52:53.890 - 00:52:56.690

You're going to be over the luxury tax, I think. Yeah.

Shawnté Salabert

00:52:57.570 - 00:53:17.650

Wow. You know, as somebody who grew up.

No, but seriously, for me, it's like as somebody who grew up in the inner city and had to figure out my connection to nature, I think about the outdoors in a different way maybe than you guys do. So I think a lot of those Other, you know, a lot of that, like, Jackson is for rich people. Sorry. It's just.

It just is like, I will say my mom's not going to Jackson, Wyoming.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:53:17.650 - 00:53:27.390

Yeah. I will say I. The last time I was in the Jackson airport, it made me really hate being a white person. The whitest place I've ever been.

Colin True

00:53:27.790 - 00:53:28.270

Yeah.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:53:28.270 - 00:53:29.150

Oh, my God.

Shawnté Salabert

00:53:29.710 - 00:53:31.710

It's basically opalescent at this point.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:53:31.710 - 00:53:32.190

Yes.

Colin True

00:53:33.230 - 00:53:58.470

All right, I'm going to go. I'm going to do my northeast pick. Northeast gets kind of like southeast kind of, again, can be.

Can be criminally underrated in terms of really interesting towns and. And access.

And again, I lived there for a long time, so it was kind of, you know, if I wasn't going to get north, North Conway was kind of de facto choice because, you know, it's like, that's the town. But also there's plenty of other ones. And so this one, I. And I referenced it probably with you guys when we were prepping for this.

I'm gonna go with Burke, Vermont.

Shawnté Salabert

00:53:58.710 - 00:53:59.190

Oh.

Colin True

00:53:59.590 - 00:54:01.470

Because that is the home of the Kingdom Trails.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:54:01.470 - 00:54:02.390

Yeah. Yeah, good call.

Colin True

00:54:03.110 - 00:55:03.569

Also skiing right there. But then easy access. The cool thing about Burke is you have. The Kingdom Trails are amazing. Anybody listening to this?

If you mountain bike, I don't care where you live or how good of trails you have ridden, you owe it to yourself. Today. Take a trip and ride the Kingdom Trails of Burn, Vermont. It is. They're just perfectly constructed trails, incredible flow, plenty of climbing.

It's definitely. It's a mountainous terrain. So don't, you know, don't look down your nose. Be like, oh, there's not going to be big hills there.

There are plenty of big, big hills there. And it is a very special part of the Northeast Kingdom up in. Up in northeast Vermont.

The other cool thing about that town, though, is there is skiing right there. You have J Peak not that far away. And about an hour away, you can be in Burlington's.

You can be on Lake Champlain if you want to actually do some do water sports. You. About an hour to the. You can be in Franconia Notch in the White Mountains of New Hampshire.

So huge access while you're still in this incredibly just picturesque picture Vermont in your head and you are picturing what Burke Vermont looks like. And it is a wonderful spot. So I'm gonna go with Burke so we can get the Kingdom trails represented.

Shawnté Salabert

00:55:03.569 - 00:55:14.130

All right. I like that. I love. I mean, Vermont is a lovely place.

So I don't always think about Vermont like, I guess people probably think of Stowe as an outdoorsy town, but I like Burke. That's a good pick.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:55:14.330 - 00:55:14.810

Great pick.

Colin True

00:55:15.210 - 00:55:24.450

Vermont's sort of like the most western east coast state. I feel like you kind of feel like you're in, like, the west a little bit when you're there. No billboards.

It's kind of just very rural looking and all about the outdoorsy stuff.

Shawnté Salabert

00:55:24.450 - 00:55:24.850

Yeah.

Colin True

00:55:24.850 - 00:55:27.530

All right, Shantae. Two, Two. Two to go here. What do you got?

Shawnté Salabert

00:55:27.850 - 00:55:40.570

Well, I'm struggling here with my. My northeast pick because you took it, Doug. And I've. I've kind of. I've waffled a bit because now that you've berated me for my choices.

Colin True

00:55:40.570 - 00:55:42.330

Oh, that was me.

Shawnté Salabert

00:55:42.330 - 00:55:55.830

I. Well, here's. Here's the little waffling that's happening in my head, and I'll tell you why. So there's more of the classic outdoor experience.

Would be something like Lake Placid. I think of, you know, something in the Adirondacks.

Colin True

00:55:55.910 - 00:55:56.990

I love Lake Placid.

Shawnté Salabert

00:55:56.990 - 00:56:16.190

Yeah. I mean, you can live out your dreams of being an Olympian there if you'd like. You've got great mountain access in the area for snow sports.

You've got hiking, all sorts of things like that. Biking, running, you know, all that.

But part of me really wants to go down to New York City and dispel people's notions that that's not an outdoor town.

Colin True

00:56:16.190 - 00:56:18.930

I mean, I own it. Be the city list. It's.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:56:19.570 - 00:56:21.810

You stole my wild card. You stole my wild card.

Shawnté Salabert

00:56:22.290 - 00:57:01.580

I'm stealing it. Sorry, Doug. That's what you get. That's what you get. For North Conway, I'm taking New York. New York City.

I used to live there, so I know firsthand what a great outdoor town it is. And you have to reframe how you think about outdoor town. So for thinking, like I said, Lake Placid, that's a whole different vibe.

But New York City has plenty of. You've got. First of all, let's just start with the obvious. Central Park. You've got Central Park Park. You got the ramble in there.

If you want to feel like you're deep in and you're not in the middle of a city, you've got, like, I've. I trail run in New York all the time. You've got. I forget what the park is that's out. Out on Long island or out there's a. A big ass park.

The technicality. It's Big Ass Park.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:57:01.580 - 00:57:02.140

Big Ass.

Shawnté Salabert

00:57:03.180 - 00:57:42.980

Yeah. I'm gonna look it up really quick while I'm here, just so I Don't sound like such a numb nuts, but you've got in. Okay, here we go. Hang on, hang on.

It's got like a cemetery in it and everything. It's down by. Anyway, great park. Far from JFK airport. Oh, here it is. What is it? Yeah, Forest Park. See, I love places called Forest park, apparently.

Clearly. Yeah, Forest Park. So you've got that where you've got good trail running and things like that. You also have a cemetery.

If you want golfing, you've got the. I'm doing this all off the cuff guys. But you've got BO I mean you can Boulder right in Central Park. You can go out to surf on Long Island.

You can go down to New Jersey.

Colin True

00:57:43.050 - 00:57:43.930

Got great parks.

Shawnté Salabert

00:57:44.330 - 00:57:45.730

To the what? To what? To Jersey.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:57:45.730 - 00:57:48.010

Jersey shore. Don't forget the Jersey Shore. Come on.

Shawnté Salabert

00:57:48.010 - 00:58:56.950

Never forget the Jersey Shore, which is actually great. Unlike what the TV show makes it. You got Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge. You got like a whole. Birds love this area.

So if you're a bird watcher, this is a great place to go check out birds. And then of course, if you want to get out of town just a little bit, hop on the train and in a very short ride you could just head up the Hudson.

You got that? The Hudson in the east river, of course, sandwiched or New York is sandwiched in between them. Although I don't know if I'd paddle either of them.

At least not down by the city. But certainly not the Gowanus Canal. But. But yeah, you can hop on a train and go up and go up to the Gunks or something like that.

Go climbing, you know, so there's access to these things that are outside the city as well. And there's tons of. So you have outdoor shops like non big chain ones. You have outlandish in Brooklyn. You've got like trail running crews now in.

In the city, which is wild to me. I love going back now. I.

I'm always looking to plug into outdoor community, which is not something I thought existed in New York back in the day when I lived there. So it is an absolute delight to see that the city is embracing its connection to the outdoors and getting people outside.

So New York, the largest single door.

Colin True

00:58:56.950 - 00:58:59.350

Specialty shop in the country is.

Shawnté Salabert

00:58:59.670 - 00:59:02.390

What is the largest single door specialty shop in the country?

Colin True

00:59:02.470 - 00:59:04.790

Yeah, Paragon Union Square.

Shawnté Salabert

00:59:04.790 - 00:59:05.590

Oh my gosh.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:59:06.150 - 00:59:15.230

Plus there's amazing fit like growing up there too. Fishing. I've caught incredible fish right right at the base of the Statue of Liberty. Fly fishing for saltwater fish.

Shawnté Salabert

00:59:15.230 - 00:59:15.990

Freedom fish.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:59:15.990 - 00:59:19.430

Yeah, yeah. I mean the bike trail. The bike trail now is incredible. In New York.

Shawnté Salabert

00:59:19.430 - 00:59:21.190

The High Line is lovely.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:59:21.510 - 00:59:22.590

The High Line, yeah, yeah.

Colin True

00:59:22.590 - 00:59:23.710

Oh, the High Line. The High Line.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:59:23.710 - 00:59:32.590

Plus, if you count your steps when my daughter was going to college in New York, you would go. You'd be like, man, I walk far more steps in New York than I do in Baltimore.

Colin True

00:59:32.590 - 00:59:32.950

It's so true.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:59:32.950 - 00:59:33.670

Than I do in Baltimore.

Shawnté Salabert

00:59:33.670 - 00:59:55.970

It's so true. But I have another pick and I'm gonna go. Yeah, I'm gonna go a little more.

I'll go a little more traditional mountain town for this one to close off my main pick. And this is the Mountain West. So my pick is a town.

This is one of those other towns that when I got to it, I immediately thought, I shall make a life here. I can figure this out. I'm going to open a small bookstore. And that is Salida, Colorado.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:59:55.970 - 00:59:56.450

Good pick.

Colin True

00:59:57.570 - 00:59:59.810

I was hoping we just keep Colorado off the board.

Doug Schnitzspahn

00:59:59.810 - 01:00:00.370

Boo.

Shawnté Salabert

01:00:00.690 - 01:01:31.150

Sorry, sorry. I had to go with Salida. Great pick up Una Vista. But obviously Salida is a lovely town. Yeah, it's.

I mean, first of all, you've got it sandwiched between two mountain ranges. You've got the Sangre de Cristos, the Saguach. You've got the Collegiate. It peaks over, you know, all these tons of 14ers.

Just over to the west, the Colorado Trail, the smartest peaks, Little Bougie. Over to the west, the Colorado Trail runs through over there.

You've of course got the Arkansas river right through town, so tons of opportunity for paddle sports there. You've got Monarch Mountain ski resorts not too far away.

And of course, if you want to drive a little further, Breck's like an hour and a half north, Vail's two hours west. Leadville is like an hour away. If you want to, you know, run for run or bike for a very long dist, you know, bouldering. Buena Vista.

There's not really a ton of climbing around Salida, but you can go into the mountains for that. You've got Black Canyon of the Gunnison, Great Sand Dunes. Two national parks not that far away.

In fact, best, best al pastor tacos I ever had were in some tiny town really close to Great Sand Dunes. Yeah, I like Salida. And then. And you've got public transportation that runs that corridor.

You could take bus down from Denver, up from Durango, I think, think. And it's just, Yeah, I love that part of the state. I love the Collegiates.

I, you know, that's one of those places where I was like, I could Settle down here. You've got, you know, if you want, in the winter, just go a little east, and you can be in the high desert and warmer temps. So I don't know. Salida.

I'm making. I'm making a play for Salida. Great distillery in town.

Colin True

01:01:31.550 - 01:01:36.350

I think we have a new podcast idea where it's gonna be. Shantae talks about public transportation and mountain towns.

Shawnté Salabert

01:01:36.350 - 01:01:37.310

Yeah. It's so important.

Colin True

01:01:37.950 - 01:01:38.750

It's a great call.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:01:38.910 - 01:01:46.200

Salad is an amazing pick, maybe even up to there, for one of the very best mountain towns in the whole country. I think when you add everything up. Yeah, really good call.

Shawnté Salabert

01:01:46.200 - 01:01:50.200

Thank you, Doug. That was very satisfying. I appreciate it. You hear that, Colin?

Colin True

01:01:51.240 - 01:01:52.080

He's a homer.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:01:52.080 - 01:01:53.880

He's Moab. He took Moab.

Colin True

01:01:54.200 - 01:02:01.800

Moab Jackson. All right. You got to take it. Salida. How dare you look down your nose at Moab.

Shawnté Salabert

01:02:02.600 - 01:02:05.000

All right, Colin, you have, like, 12 picks left, don't you?

Colin True

01:02:05.080 - 01:02:12.510

Well, it's funny, because my wild card and my southwest pick are. Are protected now. I feel like. I don't think any. Either of you would take my wild card, but I still. So I'm going to sa.

Shawnté Salabert

01:02:12.660 - 01:02:12.780

Gonna.

Colin True

01:02:12.780 - 01:03:49.020

I'm gonna risk that. You won't. Actually. You won't, because it. It will be my turn again before it's your turn. So.

So only Doug could take it, but I don't think he'll take it. My southwest pick, I would not have picked this just five years ago. Would not have picked. Made this pick. I would have gone with a.

Like a Bishop, California or a Flagstaff. But no, I'm going with my current hometown of San Diego, California. I'm sorry. I wanted. Partly why I wanted to have one big city.

I definitely wanted to have a big city because I think kind of like you say about New York and LA and everything else, it is important. And so many times, especially the outdoor community that is immediately like, oh, how could you live in a big city?

And it's like, no, a big city can have a lot of outdoor access.

And the thing that has surprised me the most, and I probably said on the pod before, is if I'm a broken record, I'm sorry about living in San Diego is there's. Obviously, it's marketed as a beach location, which is true. That's a lot. We have wonderful beaches and surfing. But this is a mountain town, man.

There are so many mountains here and so many trails. We have the only specialty retailer in Southern California, Nomad Ventures.

They are also up in Idlewild and some other places you Know the freaking PCT basically starts here. Runs right by the east eastern part of San Diego County. Looking into Anza Borrego State park where the PCT runs is incredible.

Where you have alpine like 6,7000 foot mountains and then you can go all the way back down to the coast and get the best fish tacos in the country and have the sort of beautiful city and all the kind of stuff that comes with being in San Diego and the climate and whatnot. We have snow. All the stuff you mentioned about where you go skiing, very similar to what you can do here.

I love San Diego and I think it is really offers the best of what the outdoor. What you would want from an outdoor community.

Shawnté Salabert

01:03:49.260 - 01:04:04.300

So San Diego, I love that. Yeah, I can't argue with that. Having spent a lot of time on the PCT down there, I love it. I. I find myself going back down there often.

I'm like, oh, maybe I need some new photos for the next edition of the book. No, I mean Julie and Pie company. Come on, come on.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:04:04.380 - 01:04:09.430

More food. Yeah, more food. Public transportation.

Colin True

01:04:10.390 - 01:04:11.350

Yeah. Yeah. Is it.

Shawnté Salabert

01:04:11.670 - 01:04:18.470

You could take a bus right to Campo. I mean there you go. We're doing this southern terminus of the pct.

Colin True

01:04:18.550 - 01:04:21.910

You can pick your outdoor town and Shantae will tell you how to get around.

Shawnté Salabert

01:04:21.910 - 01:04:24.549

I'll tell you how to get there. I am your human GPS lady.

Colin True

01:04:24.550 - 01:05:02.890

The pie thing is legit by the way, because we my, my mom's apple pie growing up was our my favorite thing for Thanksgiving and the holidays. And I learned how to make it. And then we went up to Julian. It was during the pandemic. We had to get outta the house.

They were open and we went to all the pie in one day. We went to all the pie shop. Julian, Julian known for their apples and their apple pie.

And it's a very famous like kind of the first like zero day for a lot of PCT hikers. And the Julian apple pie. Julian Pie company apple pie. I have not made an apple pie since.

Anytime we want apple pie, I drive to Julian and I pick one up because it's that good. So nice. It does come back to food. All right, Doug, your final two picks.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:05:02.890 - 01:06:20.720

My final two picks, actually my upper Midwest one is a pretty easy one for me and I think it's one that doesn't get enough love.

I think I've said that about a couple picks, but a very good friend of ours, Stacy Baer, is very involved in this outdoor town, Grand Rapids, Michigan. And as you know, Stacy works for. He's the Executive director of Friends of Grand Rapids Parks. And this city has an amazing park system.

There's more than 75 city parks and 46 county parks, six state parks, all in around town, Grand Rapids, including one of the nation's largest urban parks, Millennium park, right by downtown. 1400 acres. And I know Stacy is busy getting volunteers out there. They put in 4227 volunteer hours in 2024. They planted over 1200 trees.

They took care of the trails. It's a great spot. In Grand Rapids, there is a. In Highland park, they have a bouldering wall set up.

They've got people bouldering and climbing with, like, La Sportiva sponsoring it. You've got Lake Michigan right there. So you've got paddling, biking, fishing, all of that in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

Colin True

01:06:20.720 - 01:06:25.320

That was on my. Kind of. Yeah, that was on the list for sure. I need to have a Michigan town, but.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:06:25.720 - 01:06:27.880

Yeah. Plus, Michigan's a great outdoor.

Shawnté Salabert

01:06:28.040 - 01:06:29.200

You know, it's gorgeous.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:06:29.200 - 01:06:29.520

Big.

Colin True

01:06:29.520 - 01:06:33.240

Plus, we were probably worried that Stacey was going to murder us if we didn't mention Michigan on this podcast.

Shawnté Salabert

01:06:34.200 - 01:06:35.540

We did it, Stacy.

Colin True

01:06:36.260 - 01:06:38.340

All right, man, what's your wild card? What's your last one?

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:06:38.660 - 01:06:53.060

I didn't really know what this category was about at first. I thought it was supposed to be silly. So my first thought was Minas Tirith, because you've got the mountains right there.

You've got the great river for paddling. You want some adventure, you can go over to Mordor.

Colin True

01:06:54.820 - 01:06:57.340

Meanest, Tirith. Okay. Do you have a us one?

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:06:57.340 - 01:07:30.090

No. My serious pick would be my hometown of Boulder, Colorado. Obviously, I've lived here close to 25 years for a reason.

The thing about Boulder, living in Boulder, you've got to have some sense of humor about it. But, man, it's an amazing place right out my door. There's incredible hiking that goes all the way back into the top of the Flatiron.

So I can get to peaks, you know, that look out on the plains, the Indian Peaks, Backpacking, you know, we've got great mountain bike rides. Hall Ranch and High Ranch right here.

Colin True

01:07:30.890 - 01:07:32.330

Buffalo Creek, not too far away.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:07:32.330 - 01:08:10.120

Buffalo Creek, you know, the skiing. Yeah, it's not close like Jackson or Bozeman or somewhere, but, you know, we've got skiing around.

Eldora is a fantastic mountain that doesn't, you know, doesn't get the same crowds and the same traffic, though it is more popular now, really. Everything is in Boulder. Plus, you know, went to a Nuggets game the other night. You can get to a great airport. You can fly all over the world.

It's a great place to raise kids. It's a very progressive community working for, you know, initiatives on climate change. Change. Yeah. Great place to live.

There's a reason I've been here for so long. Do you have to have a sense of humor about Boulder too? As much as you like Boulder, you have to also be like Boulder.

Shawnté Salabert

01:08:10.120 - 01:08:11.600

You got to be in on the job. Yeah.

Colin True

01:08:11.600 - 01:08:15.160

For as much as I give to Boulder, it's like you can't. It's the original mountain town.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:08:15.160 - 01:08:15.720

Yeah. One of the.

Colin True

01:08:15.720 - 01:08:19.720

It's the. It was like the first one. You, you can't deny that. And it's incredibly important.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:08:19.880 - 01:08:52.640

Climbing. Climbing out the door. Incredible climbing community in Boulder's great. The trail running community in Boulder.

I see everyone getting together, you know, every night for their group trail runs. And then we've also got an incredible nucleus of, you know, outdoor stores with, you know, Arc' teryx, Nerona. Montbell.

Outdoor Industry association is based here. Sportiva. Don't forget Neptune Scarpa. Of course we have Neptune. One of the most famous outdoor stores of all time. Yeah. Hard to leave Boulder out.

Colin True

01:08:53.040 - 01:09:18.000

All right, for my wild card, I wanted to just. I gotta stay the Northwest because like, I learned I am a desert guy. Personally, I really enjoy being in the desert.

I kind of feel like I, I living now having live in, in Utah and in Southern California. But I, like I said earlier on paper, I think for just objective outdoor beauty, I don't think anything really beats the Northwest.

So my wild card is Tacoma, Washington.

Shawnté Salabert

01:09:18.320 - 01:09:19.280

Oh, okay.

Colin True

01:09:19.280 - 01:10:05.329

And I intentionally chose Tacoma because I lived down the South Sound for a time. Long, long time. And it was. There's a. There's. I have a memory burned in my brain.

One of the first times ever went Santa Pan boarding out of Gig harbor, which is the town I lived in towards Point Defiance, at, at towards Tacoma. And it was a September day. The sun was out. Rainier is out in all its glory. This legitimately happened.

A bald eagle is like swooping overhead as a, like a porpoise. Like, like breached out of the water and like went back in and there are seals around and I'm like, where the fuck am I right now?

Like, I'm like, am I. Is this like a fantasy land that I'm in? It is outstandingly, outstandingly beautiful. So.

And I want to just, you know, throw a little, A little South Sound. Love to. To my list. So it's Tacoma, Washington.

Shawnté Salabert

01:10:05.489 - 01:10:06.569

Oh, lovely.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:10:06.569 - 01:10:07.089

I like it.

Shawnté Salabert

01:10:07.089 - 01:10:11.569

Well, I'm. I like it. I like it. I'm. I suppose, am I the last. I'm the last pick.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:10:11.569 - 01:10:12.009

This is it.

Colin True

01:10:12.009 - 01:10:12.849

Last pick of the draft.

Shawnté Salabert

01:10:12.929 - 01:12:40.320

I got my wild card here and I am going to go back to the upper Midwest and I'm going to go back to the town that taught me that I was an outdoor. So I grew up in Milwaukee, which is not the town I'm picking. Sorry to Milwaukee. Lake Michigan is great. The parks are great over there.

But I went to a summer camp. We've talked about it before in the Rock Fight Camp Wickham, Mason, Shout out if we've got any more listeners.

We did get some listener mail from somebody who was my camp counselor when I was a kid. Schumacher. And then we got to work together when I became a kid. Yes, my camp name is Pokey. Don't ask me why. It's because I was slow. But.

But so we with that summer camp, which was in heartland Wisconsin, just outside 30 minutes outside of Milwaukee. When I was a still a teen, I was like 16 or something.

We went to Devil's Lake State park, which is just outside of my pick, which is Madison, Wisconsin. So Devil's late State. Devil's Lake State park is gorgeous. It's got these bluffs. It's got the lake itself, tons of trees.

It's where I learned to climb. That's my first place I ever climbed outdoors was there. First place I ever mountain biked was there. First time I ever camped in a tent was. Was there.

And you know, so Devil's Lake itself is a compelling enough reason for me to choose Madison. But I've lived in Madison and it's one of those. I considered staying there for a while. You've got.

Madison itself is an isthmus that is a landform we don't get to talk about much in the world. Love an isthmus between two lakes. So Mendota and Monona. And it's a great.

Oh, this in the summertime, like the University of Wisconsin Madison is there. Go Badgers on the. You could rent boats and go paddle out on the lakes. People sit out and, you know, have a beer. It's lovely. You've got tons of.

Biking is a big deal in southwest Wisconsin. Just cycling in general, not just mountain biking. You've got tons of paddling that happens out there.

And it's super close to the Ice Age trail, which is my personal huge trail bucket list item. I just haven't had the time yet. It's a really long trail.

But the Ice Age Trail, which follows all of the great kettles and moraines, the Ice Age Formations that the glaciers did in the upper Midwest. You got skiing nearby. Of course, if you want to go up to Wisconsin Dells, you.

You've got natural beauty there, not just all of the theme parks and kitsch that you have in the tourist towns, but it's actually gorgeous as you head up the rivers there. But, yeah, I just. I got to give a shout out to Madison. It was a great place to live. I thought about staying. I would absolutely go back.

Colin True

01:12:41.120 - 01:13:06.620

That was actually my second pick that was on my. On my draft board. I had Duluth and Madison, and then I decided to kind of go a little weird with it since you took Duluth.

I thought might be there for my wild card, but I decided not to go for now. I'm kind of bummed out that I didn't block you on it and take it for my Midwest pick. I'm being honest. Madison's amazing. Same the Bear. Boo.

Wisconsin, baby. Devil's leg. Great spot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Love Madison. I think we did it, guys. We drafted.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:13:06.700 - 01:13:07.340

We did.

Colin True

01:13:07.980 - 01:13:36.350

Let's. We'll run through. I mean, any other. Well, any other, like, honorable mentions. Anyone we didn't mention.

We feel like we at least need to say their name. We did say I had, like. So I actually was thinking from my wild card I had. I had Boston as another sort of big city.

Annapolis, Maryland was one that I was thinking about including as a wild card. I think it's a great paddle location. There's other things around there as well. Santa Fe in the mountains.

And then my other one that I really, really consider for the Southwest was Haleva in Hawaii.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:13:36.830 - 01:13:37.230

Yeah.

Shawnté Salabert

01:13:37.230 - 01:13:38.590

Oh, my gosh. Gorgeous place.

Colin True

01:13:38.990 - 01:13:41.710

So any for you guys that you feel like would need to be mentioned?

Shawnté Salabert

01:13:42.350 - 01:13:48.910

Yeah, you know, I almost. I almost picked Charleston, South Carolina as my wild card. Another place I've lived, another place I got outside all the time.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:13:49.150 - 01:13:54.810

I had Charleston on my list, too. It's a great spot. The be amazing. It's an incredible town. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Shawnté Salabert

01:13:54.810 - 01:13:56.010

Oh, that's awesome. I love it.

Colin True

01:13:57.050 - 01:14:19.380

Well, here are the rosters as drafted by your players here on the Rock Fight Shantae's team. For the Northwest, we have Portland, Oregon, Southwest Los Angeles, California, Mountain communities.

We have Salida, Colorado, Upper Midwest, Duth, Minnesota. In the south, Central Fayetteville, Arkansas, Southeast Chattanooga, Tennessee, Northeast New York City. And her wild card was Madison, Wisconsin.

How you feel about your team?

Shawnté Salabert

01:14:19.940 - 01:14:23.620

I feel great about it. Strong showing. I think I've got the top picks.

Colin True

01:14:24.420 - 01:14:44.830

Doug. Doug in the Northwest has cle, Elum, Washington, Taos, New Mexico. For the Southwest, Jackson, Wyoming for the Mountain Mountain area.

Grand Rapids, Michigan in the upper Midwest, south central Midwest, Marathon, Texas, Southeast Southeast Damascus, Virginia. North Conway, New Hampshire in the northeast and Boulder, Colorado as a wildcard. D. Doug, how you feeling?

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:14:44.910 - 01:14:48.910

I like the lineup. I think we got some heavy hitters and some role players in there.

Colin True

01:14:48.910 - 01:15:20.520

And then my team in the northwest, Hood River, Oregon, Southwest San Diego, California in the mountains, Moab, Utah, the upper Midwest, Des Moines, Iowa, South Central Midwest, Bentonville, Arkansas in the southeast, Knoxville, Tennessee, Northeast, Burke, Vermont. And my wild card was Tacoma, Washington.

We will put these teams up on Instagram and on LinkedIn and maybe even try to run a poll on the Rock Fights website and you can vote on who you think has the the best roster of outdoor towns. First ever outdoor town draft. How do we do? Do we like this? Was it fun?

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:15:20.600 - 01:15:21.120

Loved it.

Shawnté Salabert

01:15:21.120 - 01:15:25.080

It's great. I feel like. What did you think, Colin? This is, I mean, this is a big dream of yours.

Colin True

01:15:25.480 - 01:15:27.720

I feel very, very satiated right now. I feel good.

Shawnté Salabert

01:15:27.799 - 01:15:30.640

You have a good. You have like a gentle smile on your face. I love it.

Colin True

01:15:30.640 - 01:15:59.780

I'm gonna sleep so well tonight. All right, everybody, that's the show for today. Thank you for listening. We want your emails, especially about this episode.

Send them to myrockfightmail.com who did we miss? How dare we miss the town that you would have selected? We want to hear from you.

Send Those emails to myrockbitemail.com TheRockFight's a production of Rock Fight LLC. Rashante Salibair and Doug Schnitzbahn. I'm Colin True. Thanks for listening and here to take us out. Someone from not an outdoor town.

Is Gainesville, Florida an outdoor town? That's where Les and Jake is from.

Doug Schnitzspahn

01:15:59.780 - 01:16:02.460

If you're an alligator, yeah, it's a party town.

Colin True

01:16:03.420 - 01:16:07.380

We're gonna. He's gonna sing the Rock Fight fight song. We'll see you next time, Rock Fighters.

Chris DeMakes

01:16:07.380 - 01:17:02.950

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Colin True

01:17:05.270 - 01:17:06.070

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