The Tour de France Begins (Do We Care?) Plus: A Six Year Old On Elbrus?
- colin7931
- Jul 9
- 40 min read
Today on the show former Rock Fight guest Emily Holland ascends to the co-host chair to fill in for Shawnté who is out hiking the JMT!
Colin & Emily hit on the following topics:
Get to know your co-host! Colin asks Emily some random questions so the audience can get to know her better (be sure to write down some of her food recommendations). (05:50)
The Tour de France kicked off last weekend! Do we still care? It not, what would make us care? (17:05)
From the files of No Sh!t Sherlock, recent running based study lets us know yet again that sleep is good for us and life is deadly without it. (25:40)
Last week a six year old boy summited Mt. Elbrus. Is that cool? (31:30)
For The Parting Shot Colin has a request for anyone who covering or commenting on the Trump administration. Thank you. (39:59)
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Episode Transcript:
Colin True
00:00:00.240 - 00:01:37.950
Welcome to the Rock Fight, where we speak our truth, slay sacred cows, and sometimes agree to disagree. This is an outdoor podcast that aims for the head.
I'm Colin Truant and Today brand small business and podcast consultant and former guest Here on the Rock Fight. Emily Holland is ascending to the co host chair as she fills in for an out and hiking chante Salibert.
Today, Emily and I are going to run through some recent stories that have come out of the outdoor community. But before we get to that, did you miss Monday's episode of the Rock Flight? How about Tuesday's newest open container?
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Coming up on Friday, we're gonna have a conversation with Doug Schnitzbahn about the state of outdoor culture after a tumultuous first half of the year.
And then next week, we'll be back on Monday with the outdoor industry insider Owen Comerford, as well as creative and brand expert producer Dave with our leading coverage of the outdoor industry. And next Wednesday, even an old friend may be dropping by. A lot going on here at the Rock Fight. Stick around though.
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No hills anywhere to be seen?
Emily Holland
00:04:13.630 - 00:04:17.430
No, just flat land. This is Kansas, basically. Yeah, thanks for having me.
Colin True
00:04:17.430 - 00:04:19.150
True. I'm glad you finally acknowledged it.
Emily Holland
00:04:20.619 - 00:04:29.899
No, I know there was a draft recently and I have since moved to Lions Colorado, which I'd like to potentially put in the draft at some point.
Colin True
00:04:29.979 - 00:04:34.819
Yeah, actually I co signed that move. Lions is actually a pretty dope town.
Emily Holland
00:04:34.819 - 00:04:40.779
Good job actually, he says. Great. Sorry, the other place you left.
Colin True
00:04:40.939 - 00:04:53.800
Actually, it's fine, you know, but I think if we do the drafts again next year, which we probably will, I think, you know, previous winners will have to be disqualified. Right. So Lions should definitely be on the board.
Emily Holland
00:04:54.280 - 00:04:59.960
Yeah, I have some ideas that I'd like to add in that we can do a Stay tuned. Watch this space for now.
Colin True
00:05:01.000 - 00:05:04.120
I would love to hear your ideas for improving the outdoor town draft.
Emily Holland
00:05:05.560 - 00:05:08.120
I just have places that I'd like to include. Yeah.
Colin True
00:05:08.520 - 00:05:19.080
Oh, that was the best part.
And I'm sure anybody who's done a best mountain town list or whatever this is, the vast majority of reader or listener feedback is all the places you didn't mention.
Emily Holland
00:05:19.480 - 00:05:20.360
Yeah, of course.
Colin True
00:05:20.840 - 00:05:28.380
No validation that any of the places you mentioned were actually good. It's like how could you not mention this one place, you know, And I.
Emily Holland
00:05:28.380 - 00:05:34.180
Also learned how to pronounce Doug's last name on your podcast. So there's a lot of learnings here, and I'm here for it.
Colin True
00:05:34.420 - 00:05:38.100
It's that extra S. It's the spawn. It's not pawn, it's spawn.
Emily Holland
00:05:38.980 - 00:05:44.820
Sure. That's definitely what it was. Definitely wasn't the amalgamation of other letters that I've never known how to pronounce together.
Colin True
00:05:44.820 - 00:06:12.780
I've written this. I say more than I ever thought I would.
All right, so you've been on the pod before, but we want to make sure our listeners, you know, know what they're getting today. All right, so we're going to play a quick round of get to know your co host. I'm ripping this off completely from Danny Brown.
I was on his pod last week, which is a kind of a pod where he asked random questions.
And I'm like, I'm going to ask you, Emily, three random questions, and we're going to, like, you know, get to know everything we need to know about Emily here as you co host the rock fight today.
Emily Holland
00:06:13.100 - 00:06:26.200
Okay, that's great.
And I also really appreciate that you kept these secret because you have a very prepared outline for everything else, but there's no questions in sight that I can. So I'm excited. I'm excited to just rock with it. Let's do it.
Colin True
00:06:26.360 - 00:06:33.160
I don't even know. I'm on, literally, a online random question generator, so I don't even know what I'm going to ask.
Emily Holland
00:06:33.320 - 00:06:35.560
Is AI generated random questions.
Colin True
00:06:35.960 - 00:06:43.480
Okay, I think this is a good one because actually, I think this could be relevant to, you know, rock fight topics. So first question. How many pairs of shoes do you own?
Emily Holland
00:06:44.360 - 00:06:46.600
Holy heck. Okay.
Colin True
00:06:48.040 - 00:06:53.240
Yes. Clearly your outdoor credibility is intact. With that answer, we can move on.
Emily Holland
00:06:54.500 - 00:07:06.500
I think I own at least 40 pairs of shoes, and that does include, which I'd really love to tell you, Colin, two pairs of Crocs, the normal ones, and then one pair of boot Crocs.
Colin True
00:07:06.580 - 00:07:07.140
Oh, God.
Emily Holland
00:07:07.140 - 00:07:11.460
So I do have three pairs of Crocs total in my collection. Yeah.
Colin True
00:07:11.460 - 00:07:13.140
I have to kick you off the podcast now.
Emily Holland
00:07:13.460 - 00:07:15.860
And now we're getting rid of her.
Colin True
00:07:16.740 - 00:07:22.420
That was. That was Emily Holland, everybody. Wow. 40, though. That's. That's a.
Emily Holland
00:07:22.420 - 00:07:47.660
Well, that includes my big girl high heels that I used to wear to the office. I still just like, for some reason, I'm like, why would I get rid of these? Maybe I'll need to use them.
I'm never gonna use them, but I just feel bad getting rid of them. So I have those. But then I have also, like, hiking shoes, four pairs of trail runners, you know, Tevas, like, all the different things. Yeah.
Like ski boots, I consider as part of, like, they're all in it. Yeah.
Colin True
00:07:48.370 - 00:08:01.210
To your point about the quote unquote, big girl shoes, I have a sport coat that literally has a half inch of dust on the. Just hanging in my closet that has not been touched in a decade that I'm like, should I get rid of that one day? You might need to use that somewhere.
Emily Holland
00:08:01.210 - 00:08:06.690
No, I think you should wear it to the next Switchback live version of the Rock Fight. Just.
Colin True
00:08:06.690 - 00:08:09.570
We all get dressed. Actually, that's very niche. We all get dressed up.
Emily Holland
00:08:10.210 - 00:08:12.210
Remember that one episode with Emily Holland.
Colin True
00:08:13.090 - 00:08:26.050
Two weeks after Switchback last year? All right, I'm going to ask you this one for our next question because, you know, I think it's relevant to your life. Do you believe in soulmates?
Emily Holland
00:08:27.090 - 00:08:30.730
No. No. I believe that I'm always about to get married.
Colin True
00:08:30.730 - 00:08:33.650
So this is a big, like, breaking news on the Rock Fight.
Emily Holland
00:08:34.770 - 00:09:08.190
I believe that, like, people.
I just think that the idea of soulmates as it's sold, where it's like, you find someone, you fall in love, and then everything is kind of smooth sailing from there is just, like, not right. And it kind of indicates that there's, like, one for everyone. And I just, like, don't think that that's true. Yeah, it's absolutely. Yeah.
And I think that, like, my. My partner. I'm so glad we met. And, like, our relationship is also a lot of fun work that we have to do together, like, to keep it going.
Like, I'm sure you understand because you've been married for so long.
Colin True
00:09:08.190 - 00:09:08.990
I certainly do.
Emily Holland
00:09:09.230 - 00:09:31.790
Yeah. Because you're so much older than me. But I don't believe that soulmates exist.
I do believe, however, that me and my sisters, like, there's something special in that sauce. But I don't know if it's like, soulmates necessarily.
I think you might have, like, a soul connection with people, but maybe not like, oh, we are 1.1to1. This is the only way this could have happened in the universe.
Colin True
00:09:32.430 - 00:09:43.070
I love that because everyone, when you say soulmate, you just immediately think to, like, a romantic person in your life. Not like, you know, like a sibling or. Or a best friend or something like that. Right. So that's a great way of describing it.
Emily Holland
00:09:43.640 - 00:10:06.680
Yeah. Well, that's what I'm here for, to describe things. Well. Oh.
Before we move forward, though, I just want to say we met for the first time a couple weeks ago in person. Obviously, we've met virtually over the years. And I gotta say, man, in men over 50, you have the best head of hair out here. Okay.
Like, it is unbelievable. I can't believe you didn't go to Turkey for this. Like, that's unbelievable.
Colin True
00:10:06.840 - 00:10:09.400
So the funny part is my dad was bald too.
Emily Holland
00:10:10.480 - 00:10:12.200
That's even more impressive.
Colin True
00:10:12.200 - 00:10:18.040
I know both my siblings have, like, you know, the Friar Tuck going on, you know, in the back of their head.
Emily Holland
00:10:18.040 - 00:10:34.400
So I feel bad for men who have to go through that. I really do. It's not fair. But also, just everyone, if you get a chance to meet, I actually invite people to come up to you. Don't even talk to you.
Just put your hand in the hair, run it through. Very good. Continue.
Colin True
00:10:35.370 - 00:10:43.690
That's a great compliment. I want to say thank you because I typically. I'm kind of. I'm. This is a little tmi, But I'm. I'm a shower. An evening showerer. Right.
So, like, I typically.
Emily Holland
00:10:44.170 - 00:10:45.210
Into your shower habits.
Colin True
00:10:45.210 - 00:10:56.890
Oh, you know, I figured. But I figured I. You know, during the day, though, I wear a lot of hats, as such, because I don't feel like dealing with my hair.
So I don't really think about my hair that much. That's a great. Thank you very much. That's. That's great.
Emily Holland
00:10:57.130 - 00:11:07.830
Yeah. Okay. Give the old guy a little shower. What's your order of operations? What are we talking here? It's different for everyone. Okay. Just saying.
Colin True
00:11:07.830 - 00:11:09.590
All right, last question. You ready?
Emily Holland
00:11:09.590 - 00:11:10.070
Okay.
Colin True
00:11:10.230 - 00:11:15.270
This is a big one. If you could choose your last meal, what would it be?
Emily Holland
00:11:16.390 - 00:11:19.990
Mm. Okay. Do I get dessert with it? Is it, like, multi. Of course.
Colin True
00:11:19.990 - 00:11:20.910
It's your meal. Yeah.
Emily Holland
00:11:20.910 - 00:11:29.030
Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I would do. As a starter, I would probably do chicken tenders.
Colin True
00:11:30.630 - 00:11:31.830
Nothing embarrassing about that.
Emily Holland
00:11:32.030 - 00:11:32.510
Okay. With.
Colin True
00:11:32.910 - 00:11:35.950
Are we talking, like, fast food tenders? Like, where are we? With are we.
Emily Holland
00:11:35.950 - 00:11:41.390
You know, I'm like, yeah, like, no bone. First of all, tenders. We're talking tenders.
Colin True
00:11:41.710 - 00:11:42.110
Sure.
Emily Holland
00:11:42.190 - 00:11:49.470
Fast food is fine. Kfc. Chick Fil A. I know Chick Fil A has interesting politics, but the chicken is pretty good. So it's tough.
Colin True
00:11:49.470 - 00:11:53.310
Yeah, I got over that. You know, it's like. But have you had the chicken?
Emily Holland
00:11:53.390 - 00:12:24.610
I know they actually put up little stands outside of Red Rocks every time at the end of the night. It's ingenious because it's all these people so smart. I think we might have talked about that before. But anyways, chicken tenders.
And then I Would love a steak, filet mignon with gorgonzola cheese and really amazing mashed potatoes with another level of cheese in there somehow. And then I would like a tiramisu to end that all. Yeah, I love that you combine like.
Colin True
00:12:24.610 - 00:12:27.410
The kids menu with the adult menu. Right? That's.
Emily Holland
00:12:27.410 - 00:12:27.850
Yeah.
Colin True
00:12:28.490 - 00:12:31.730
Actually, this is. This is a great meal. Can we just go to dinner? I want you to pick.
Emily Holland
00:12:31.730 - 00:12:35.890
I know, I'm kind of like, I think I might get some chicken tendies tonight. I think I might.
Colin True
00:12:35.890 - 00:12:36.650
With a steak.
Emily Holland
00:12:36.810 - 00:12:38.090
With a steak on the side.
Colin True
00:12:38.090 - 00:12:51.530
Yeah, I love that. We also, you mentioned when we were talking about what to talk about today that you were just in talking about western states.
Was there something specifically on your mind when it came to western states or was it just something that had happened recently? So we should talk about it.
Emily Holland
00:12:51.850 - 00:13:16.630
Well, it happened recently and we should talk about it. But I also think that. And I heard on second nature this as well. But like, trail running is in such a cool spot right now.
It's been so cool to see the evolution. Evolution of western states. I mean, Dylan and Corinne doing a marathon. Talk of like doing the. The announcing or the. What is it called?
You know what I'm talking about?
Colin True
00:13:16.790 - 00:13:19.830
Commentating, Moderating. Commentating.
Emily Holland
00:13:20.230 - 00:14:07.410
I mean, that was a feat in itself. I think they were doing that live for like 16 to 17 hours or something along those lines. Like, that is insane.
And there was like so many people tapped into it. And I just think I'm loving it because I moved away from road running for RAC like years and years ago.
And I'm so glad other people are doing that too, because the vibes are so much better in the trail running world. I know you and Owen, I think talked about recently, like the state of the. The trail running space too, so. But anyways, I just love to see it.
I was very disappointed that David Roche didn't finish, had a dnf and after all that, we. We didn't see him get to finish. But yeah, it was really fun to just see Dylan and Corinne like going that hard for that long in itself.
Colin True
00:14:08.130 - 00:14:12.630
So they were. They did like the coverage of the race until the entire time, which is.
Emily Holland
00:14:12.630 - 00:14:29.670
Like so difficult because in all of the aid stations there's like no service. So they have like these drones and satellites up and they're trying to like get intel from their team at the same time.
And it's so much more complex than like commentating, you know, like an F1 race or something like that.
Colin True
00:14:29.670 - 00:14:57.890
Right? Yeah, but you're getting into Your like, your ultra running years, I feel like 30 to 50 is like the prime endurance years.
Like as I'm coming out of them now I'm starting, I'm fully embracing, like I don't fucking need to do this shit anymore.
Like that's my, like I turned 50 in September and I, but I do remember being like in my early 30s, being like, fuck yeah, I'm gonna run a hundred miles one day. Like this is awesome. And like going to gobbling up any sort of ultramarathon kind of content I could get.
So you're kind of like right in the demo for this kind of stuff, right?
Emily Holland
00:14:58.370 - 00:15:24.890
Totally. And I'm also like in the year of ultra running, I've returned to it this year.
Like I did a 50k in 2019 and then I came back and did one this year and I'm doing the Grand Traverse later this summer.
And so I think I'm just also just psyched about the space right now and like taking training seriously and being just like a smarter athlete than I've ever been. So I don't even think I would have called myself an athlete like five years ago, but I'd be getting out there. So I am an athlete.
Colin True
00:15:24.890 - 00:15:38.850
That's an important evolution because same thing, like a lot of people don't consider themselves athlete as athletes at a certain point, like you know, just by the fact of getting up and being active, you are indeed an athlete. Maybe you're not winning. I mean like Emily will win all of these races that she's talking about, obviously.
Emily Holland
00:15:39.150 - 00:15:42.350
But yeah, yeah, I will win it in my heart and in my spirit.
Colin True
00:15:44.030 - 00:16:29.870
Right on.
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Emily Holland
00:16:30.510 - 00:16:40.810
I never wear Lens, but I love the idea of the words vegan friendly sneakers because, like, can vegans eat those sneakers or is it just. No, that's the best.
Colin True
00:16:42.090 - 00:16:43.530
Yes, it can.
Emily Holland
00:16:43.530 - 00:16:44.450
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Colin True
00:16:44.450 - 00:16:45.210
No animal products.
Emily Holland
00:16:49.130 - 00:16:50.330
That's awesome. Yeah.
Colin True
00:16:50.330 - 00:16:54.050
God, I'm really hungry. What should I do? Well, these shoes, you know, on the.
Emily Holland
00:16:54.050 - 00:16:56.970
Jmt, when things get hard, you can always eat those shoes.
Colin True
00:16:57.210 - 00:17:02.130
Maybe you're hallucinating a little bit out doing Western. Your ultramarathon. You need to make sure you have your vegan friendly shoes on.
Emily Holland
00:17:02.130 - 00:17:02.890
Yeah, there you go.
Colin True
00:17:03.050 - 00:17:29.439
Gobble those things right down. All right. Today's top stories are presented by Oboz, who loves hiking. And as the cupid of the outdoors, Oboz wants to help.
You love hiking just as much as they do. So. First story today. The Tour de France kicked off last weekend. On July 5th, we saw the first of this year's 21 stages.
We're recording this on Monday, July 7th. And currently someone has the yellow jersey. I didn't bother to look up who it is. It's only been two days. How could it matter that much?
Emily Holland
00:17:29.439 - 00:17:30.359
Someone has it.
Colin True
00:17:30.679 - 00:17:36.610
Someone has it. They're running around holding. Emily, what are your thoughts on the Tour de France these days?
Emily Holland
00:17:37.170 - 00:17:41.090
I don't care. I just don't care.
Colin True
00:17:41.250 - 00:17:43.690
I'm glad I picked this topic to talk about. All right.
Emily Holland
00:17:43.690 - 00:18:17.950
But it's. I think it's a cool, like, listen, it's very difficult to cycle like that. Like, endurance wise and athletically. It's impressive as heck.
And I think it's cool that there's such a, like, crew around it. Like, people are so psyched about it. They, like, plan, you know, vacations around it and they go to the different. Different areas and stuff.
Like, that's very cool. I just don't understand road cycling in the slightest. Like, I don't understand the appeal. They always are in the way.
I'm just like, I. I kind of just have that.
Colin True
00:18:17.950 - 00:18:19.869
Now we know why you left Boulder. Okay.
Emily Holland
00:18:20.030 - 00:18:32.130
Yeah. I mean, it's so bad. Like, they. Anyways, I'll get to it in a second.
But I also think from growing up in the 90s just to, like, show how young and sprite I am and then last century.
Colin True
00:18:32.130 - 00:18:32.610
Yep.
Emily Holland
00:18:32.690 - 00:19:08.960
Yeah.
I'm growing up in the 90s and, like, the early 2000s, when Lance's, you know, domination was happening, I feel like I just have this negative connotation of the Tour de France. Like, that will never change.
Even though it's Like, a lot has changed in the Tour de France since then, and I shouldn't think that it hasn't just because of one man, but it was, like, also a lot of men. A lot of people were doing that, but, yeah. So I don't care. And also, it's impressive at the same time, I guess. Are those. Those are my thoughts.
Colin True
00:19:09.520 - 00:20:34.700
I think it's a no. I think you're spot on, frankly, but kind of how I feel. I feel similarly. Right. Because it is objectively impressive.
Like, if you said to me, hey, cold off the couch, gun to my head, you got to go run western states or go ride the Tour de France, like, sign me up for the hundred miles, like. And I'm not saying that ultramarathons are easy by any stretch. Like, I'm just saying that, like. Like, no way. Are you kidding?
When you look at what they actually do. Yeah, it has. It. It has a claim to the, like, toughest thing there is. Right? You gotta. You gotta respect that. Right. But I'm with you. I kind of.
I kind of feel like it has a bit of the, like, almost like, Major League Baseball problem of, like, the romance is gone, I think.
You know, and I. I definitely have a little bit of a romantic view of that time that you just described, because, like, you know, I was old enough that I was getting sucked in by the Livestrong bracelets, and I started riding road bikes and all this stuff. Right? And then obviously, the downfall comes, and it's like, that sucks that that was bullshit. But it was. You know, there was this sort of.
I don't know, kind of felt like it was. It was. It was important. And now, same thing with, like, baseball.
Like, I've fallen out of love with baseball because it's like, oh, my God, how many more metrics do I need to know about?
And, like, how many more ways are we, like, you know, it's all about the statistics versus about, hey, just a bunch of people out there, like, trying to play, you know, baseball on. On a sunny afternoon. And I feel like it's the same way.
Like, you and I, when we were talking about this, about what to talk about, I sent you a picture of a Tour de France rider from, like, was, like, 1919 or something. And it looks so badass. Like, I'm like, I. That race, you know, he's on, like.
Emily Holland
00:20:34.700 - 00:20:40.580
Gravel and, like, the worst gear. He's going through these, like, mountain passes that were not paved at the time.
Colin True
00:20:40.580 - 00:20:42.100
Like, Star Wars. Goggles on.
Emily Holland
00:20:42.420 - 00:21:20.810
Yes, exactly. He looks like he's like living on Tatooine, it's insane. And like, I love that.
And that's, I think with a lot of these sports, like, I think it, when people become to this like obsessed level, it just kind of like ruins it for other people. And maybe that's a little bit of my like, like punk Emily era, where it's like, oh, you're, you're like a sellout now or something.
But it just, I don't know, it becomes this larger than life thing that doesn't feel like it's at its roots anymore. And if, if you know the demographic of people who ride bikes competitively like that, who are they? Right? They're like white, rich, 40 year olds.
Colin True
00:21:20.810 - 00:21:22.530
It's a very vain sport.
Emily Holland
00:21:23.170 - 00:21:47.350
Yeah. And it's like they're little click clacking with their little like shoes on when they go into the cafe. It's just like so silly.
But yeah, I, I think it's super impressive. You know, it also is really interesting to watch is the crashes.
I mean, I don't like to see people fall, but the crashes that happen in the peloton is unbelievable. Like people, it literally terrify.
Colin True
00:21:47.350 - 00:21:53.310
Like it stresses me out because you put yourself in the mindset of what that must be like and that would freak me the fuck out.
Emily Holland
00:21:53.550 - 00:21:58.430
No, that's like scarier than any outdoor sport I've ever done that, that idea.
Colin True
00:21:59.790 - 00:22:16.410
Well, speaking of that, I mean, what do you, how do you view cycling in general? Right? Because I mean, mountain biking has a really important part.
I feel like in the human powered world, I mean, is cycling though it does also feel like it kind of straddles two different worlds. I mean, is it sort of canon to out being outdoorsy the same way like climbing or hiking is? Do you feel like.
Emily Holland
00:22:16.810 - 00:23:06.300
I don't think so. I, I personally, me and my partner, when we see a road biker specifically, we're like, yeah, would never, I would never.
Because the thing is, is like you're not, you might be going through like cool roads and like mountainous terrain on a road, but you're still on the road, you're engaging with vehicles. Like, you have to be conscious of those things around you.
And I just, when I want go, go outside, like, I don't want to deal with like potentially getting hit by a car. Right. Like, of course there's, there's nothing wrong with cycling. Like you can do it if that's exciting to you.
But for me, like, I don't really see it as outdoorsy. It's just like, like something you're doing outside, like, just like going in the pool is not really outdoorsy to me.
It's just like an activity that you do outside.
Colin True
00:23:06.380 - 00:23:08.820
Floating on the lazy river. Not outdoorsy.
Emily Holland
00:23:08.820 - 00:23:09.260
Yeah.
Colin True
00:23:09.420 - 00:23:11.820
Quote Emily Holland, 2025.
Emily Holland
00:23:11.980 - 00:23:26.140
Gonna get canceled by all the road cyclists. And I think that they also take over the roads in the Boulder county area. And I. It's, like, very scary with some of the passes that they go down.
They're going like 60, 70 miles.
Colin True
00:23:26.140 - 00:23:34.760
That's where almost like, back to, like, then what's impressive, right. When you see these. These descents where I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't even, like, walk down this. Like, walk my bike down.
Emily Holland
00:23:34.760 - 00:23:36.560
I know what we're doing. Yeah.
Colin True
00:23:37.360 - 00:23:47.920
But there is.
I mean, I guess if you do look back on and I understand your feelings about, like, the Lance era, the reason why it was so popular was there was kind of this folk hero style thing going on.
Emily Holland
00:23:48.400 - 00:23:48.760
Yeah.
Colin True
00:23:48.760 - 00:24:12.570
And I wonder, because I'm with you, like, I'm not really paying attention. I have. I have a, you know, a little bit more affinity for the event, obviously, than you do. Would it take some.
Is there sort of like, do we need a personality? Is there a personality that could come along? Do you think that could make you care about the Tour de France at some point?
Because I feel like if that. If there was like, oh, here's the new, like, American hero who's over there, like, trying to, like, hang with all these folks.
Kind of like it happened back then, maybe I'd get a little more invested. Otherwise, I don't know if I ever will again.
Emily Holland
00:24:13.050 - 00:24:46.230
Yeah. I didn't think about it in that. In those terms, but when I was thinking about talking about this today, I was like.
Like, I wonder if this in my mind is kind of similar to Formula one, and I don't give a shit about cars, but I watched the Formula one Netflix series, and now I'm, like, obsessed with all the drivers. I know everything about the teams. You know, my partner's new company, he'll get to go to the races. Like, things are happening in F1.
And if they did a Netflix series. Not the one. They did like a series or Icarus or something like that. Right. Was about.
Colin True
00:24:46.630 - 00:24:52.630
Well, that was a documentary. They did an F1 style netflix series about the Tour de France. They did a couple of seasons of it.
Emily Holland
00:24:52.630 - 00:25:08.790
Okay. Was that the one where everything is in French and it's all subtitled? Okay. I can't then. I'm sorry. I'm out for that. No, thanks.
I never watch a foreign film. If I have to read everything on the bottom, I'm sorry, that's gonna be a no for me.
Colin True
00:25:09.270 - 00:25:12.510
All right, well, did you see F1? The movie is actually what matters now.
Emily Holland
00:25:12.510 - 00:25:20.380
Not yet. Not yet. But we are planning to see it because Brad and also all of the drivers are in it, and we love the sport, so.
Colin True
00:25:20.620 - 00:25:25.820
Yeah, and come on, you know, Kaczynski did. He did Top Gun Maverick. This is his follow up, the Top Gun Maverick.
Emily Holland
00:25:25.820 - 00:25:38.380
It's gonna be sick. And they were like, on the actual tracks, you know, I listened to an episode of Something with Brad, and I was like, okay, this is like, they really.
They really did something cool here visually. So I'm excited to see what that looks like.
Colin True
00:25:40.350 - 00:26:10.190
All right, well, next article we're gonna talk about. Next. Next story we're gonna talk about is a recent article.
And RunnersWorld.com recaps a 2023 study that states that getting quality sleep can make you 20, 21% less likely to die from cardiovascular disease alone. The study also suggests that up to 8% of deaths for any reason could be related to suboptimal sleep.
I mean, my first reaction was like, yeah, no shit. Like, we. I think we kind of know this now, like, about sleep. Like, was it a slow news month that you had to, like, create an article?
But you know, at the same time, it's kind of. It's kind of 21%.
Emily Holland
00:26:11.450 - 00:26:12.250
So. Yeah.
Colin True
00:26:12.250 - 00:26:14.730
Emily, how's. How are your sleeping habits these days?
Emily Holland
00:26:15.050 - 00:26:23.610
I thought the same thing when you sent this to me. I'm like, is this from, like 10 years ago? I thought we were talking about sleep like 10 years ago, like, what happened here? And it's two years ago.
Colin True
00:26:23.850 - 00:26:24.250
Yeah.
Emily Holland
00:26:24.250 - 00:26:46.150
Yeah. You do sleep good. You don't die.
I want to ask you actually, first, as a parent, do you feel like you especially early on, let's say, the first 10 years of being a parent, what hours of. Like, how many hours were you getting per night of sleep on average? I mean, newborn time is a little bit different, right?
Colin True
00:26:46.150 - 00:26:55.870
But like, yeah, newborn times is a little different. We were. They were. Our kids were pretty good. And I'm kind of an early to bed, early to rise guy anyway, so.
Emily Holland
00:26:55.950 - 00:26:56.950
Yeah, okay.
Colin True
00:26:56.950 - 00:27:44.190
You know, it's. It's. It would more. There were definitely moments or their times when, like, they're up or, you know, or in nightmares or whatever.
And we also, like, we're pretty. You know, I don't relate to the parents who do do co sleeping. We're like, that's your bed. This is my bed. And that's the way it is.
So I mean and part of that, that might sound mean but part of that was we also know if we don't sleep well, we're not going to probably be better parents during the day too. Right. This was before this study. We figured that out. So.
So yeah, the parenting thing for me I unfortunately I don't think was too, too much of an issue but I think for a lot of people it is. I remember I had a friend who literally like their newborn.
This is a long time ago but, but something an hour a day and I'm like, oh my God, how are you living? That's terrifying to me.
Emily Holland
00:27:44.350 - 00:27:46.590
I'm so happy with my decisions right now.
Colin True
00:27:48.830 - 00:27:50.990
I think I sleep normal but Yeah.
Emily Holland
00:27:52.110 - 00:28:44.480
I sleep eight to 10 hours depending on the night. And I'm also like I like to get up early. I like to get after it like early in the day. That's like my best focus time and everything.
But so I have always had issues with these like studies that come out about sleep and I'm like how much how many of these people are parents and how many of them are not? Because there's also all these studies about as you age your sleep gets worse and worse and worse and I'm like are they talking about just parents?
So like later and like as you have kids your sleep gets worse and worse and worse because of worry, newborn whatever or is that like just true of everyone? So I would like a follow up study on that. Child free versus is child full people.
Yeah, but I think that this is a really like a waste of a headline if I'm being really honest. Like it's obvious.
Colin True
00:28:44.800 - 00:28:45.160
Yeah.
Emily Holland
00:28:45.160 - 00:28:53.520
If runners especially don't know that they need to get more sleep because they're training. Yikes, yikes, yikes, yikes, yikes.
Colin True
00:28:53.680 - 00:29:21.870
As a fellow early to bed, early to rise person, are you also annoyed at the amount of people who ask you how you are capable of waking up so early? It drives me crazy. I've always been this way like it too.
Even like when I was like, like, like hard party drinking guy in my early 20s and like 8a, I could be up to like 3 and 3 in the morning, my eyes would just like pop open by like 8am I've just always been a wake up person and everyone, you know. So now it's like I like getting up early because it's like oh man, no one else is up.
I got the house to myself, I can make coffee, the whole deal quiet.
Emily Holland
00:29:21.870 - 00:29:25.710
Like no one's emailing you yet you're like, yeah, you can really get.
Colin True
00:29:25.710 - 00:29:28.510
Except you and I, because we're up and we're emailing everybody else.
Emily Holland
00:29:28.830 - 00:29:48.460
Yeah, sorry, my bad. No, I'm like, I. I totally feel you on that. When people.
For a while, I was getting up at five every day to go train with a friend for rock climbing and people be like, oh my God, I didn't do that. I'm like, I go to bed at nine. What's the issue? Like, I go, I get in my bed at 8:30 and then you know what?
Colin True
00:29:48.460 - 00:29:51.460
I would get in at 7:30 and be totally happy doing it.
Emily Holland
00:29:51.540 - 00:30:03.600
I love when that 8 o' clock rolls around. I'm like, oh, it's almost time to jump in. Bedtime, let's go. Time to read. What a nerd. Holy shit, I've really changed.
Colin True
00:30:04.160 - 00:30:06.160
Well, how do you feel about Dawn Patrol?
Emily Holland
00:30:06.960 - 00:30:13.360
I feel great about Dawn Patrol. I want to get up early and get after it anytime I can. So I'm good with that.
Colin True
00:30:13.680 - 00:30:14.400
You're all right.
Emily Holland
00:30:14.480 - 00:30:15.440
I love an alpine circle.
Colin True
00:30:15.440 - 00:30:18.640
I don't like to leave the house in the morning. I like my morning time to be mine. And I don't want to go.
Emily Holland
00:30:18.640 - 00:30:43.370
Well, not every day. I don't want it to be like every single day I'm doing Dawn Patrol because then it's like, I don't need to patrol that much.
You know, there's not a lot going on. But like, I like to balance it. Right. So like today I got up at like 5:45 and just worked for like three hours and then went on a long run.
Like, I like the flexibility of that too, but I still like to get up early every day. Yeah. So I'm with you on that for sure.
Colin True
00:30:43.690 - 00:30:52.410
All right, well, There you go, runnersworld.com. we need an updated study and stop running lame studies about stuff that we already know. That's what we have for you this week.
Emily Holland
00:30:52.410 - 00:30:56.410
There's AI running shoes now, like focus on that. Right about that.
Colin True
00:30:56.650 - 00:31:01.430
Oh, the. On like the spray on shoes. I forgot that I was gonna add that to our. Not those.
Emily Holland
00:31:02.150 - 00:31:21.030
No.
There's a great new startup called Avello that I actually know the founder of through client and it seems like it's going to be really interesting tech. It looks at your gate and like gives you. Yeah.
Recommendations I think on like training and so anyways, I can't speak to it very well, but it's a new thing. Maybe they should write about that.
Colin True
00:31:22.470 - 00:31:24.230
Probably they won't recommend different shoes though.
Emily Holland
00:31:24.230 - 00:31:24.430
Like.
Colin True
00:31:24.430 - 00:31:27.830
No, no, don't worry. These shoes Are fine for you. You don't need to look at other shoes.
Emily Holland
00:31:28.150 - 00:31:29.270
That's fair. Yeah.
Colin True
00:31:31.410 - 00:31:44.130
All right, our last story today. Per an article on Explorer's Web last week, a six year old boy. I'm gonna say this incorrectly, I'm sure. Take beer sing.
Sounds like maybe solid, solid effort. Beer. Yeah. Do you co sign that Take beer sing?
Emily Holland
00:31:44.130 - 00:31:45.570
I. I don't know.
Colin True
00:31:45.570 - 00:32:20.190
Beer. I don't know. Anyway, six year old boy summited Mount Elbrus, aka the highest peak in Europe, which stands at 5,642 meters or 18,510ft.
Climbing Elbrus, quite the undertaking. The journey for this young child took took eight days. The journey to the summit took eight days.
He went with his father and according to his mother, he had a trainer and followed a special diet in order to be able to reach the summit. Now the title of this article was, you know, record or irresponsible? I say irresponsible, but what say you, Emily Holland?
Emily Holland
00:32:21.470 - 00:32:57.050
Well, as we've established, I am child free. I do not have children. And so I have send them all to the summit. I don't, I'm like, yeah, if they do, if they want to do that.
What I think is more funny about this, I think that it's fine. I don't care really. I'm like you as a parent got to make decisions for your kid. Sure.
But what I think is more funny is to think about a six year old having a trainer and like having true meltdowns of like I have to do what again? Like I have to eat this disgusting food again.
Like that's what's more funny to me to think about than like this whole other question about irresponsible or not.
Colin True
00:32:58.910 - 00:34:18.040
100%.
There was a old episode of the pod when Justin was on with me like probably close to two years ago now, if not over two years ago, when I was on a bike packing trip and we came across this family that had like these two super children like out mountain biking in the middle of the San Rafael swell as well in Utah, just like dominating this trail. And one of them was like 12 years old. It was two years ago. Cause I remember my twins were 12 at the time. And it's not a matter of capability.
I understand.
I mean, I think, you know, back to our thing about Tour de France and western states, I mean you can, we know that so much of this stuff is in our head, right.
And like, you know, you could get off the couch and walk the length of the western states, you know, course tomorrow and probably cross the finish line and, you know, at some point couldn't win it. But, you know, your body is really capable of a lot of different things. And I think that was probably the same as when you're a kid. But it's the.
What does it take to get you to that point? Right.
And that's why that was my point about like, how many weekends did that kid I saw in Utah have to basically give up to get out there and train with their parents in the desert to be able to nimbly ride up that hill? And I'm not saying that that kid wasn't like stoked to do it. Maybe they were.
All I know is from my experience, like, I don't know, there's a lot of kids out there who really want to do stuff like this. And to have a six year old, he's six.
Emily Holland
00:34:18.040 - 00:35:04.970
Yeah, I know that's like, it's not pre memories, but it's like kind of on that cusp of like, will they even know that they. They did this? In a way, like, I feel like when there's. Because this is one of the sick. One of the seven summits. Yeah.
And what I think of these feats, I think of like, I mean, I've only done the little. The, the easiest one of Kilimanjaro, but like, I did it and I was like, here's all the things I learned. Like, I learned all this stuff about myself.
I learned about this culture and I learned about this. And I felt like I just was changed from the experience. So, like the. I did just. It's sad to me that this kid will not be changed from this experience.
Whether, like, there's no way he could be like. And then I saw the sunrise over the valley and I knew all of.
Colin True
00:35:04.970 - 00:35:06.290
My training was worth it.
Emily Holland
00:35:08.689 - 00:35:23.890
Yeah. So I'm. I don't know. I. I'm again, like, I'm. I live in Colorado. There's a lot of feral children who are doing a lot of crazy stuff out here.
And I am not in a position to say that's good or bad parenting. I don't know. Because I have a dog.
Colin True
00:35:26.280 - 00:35:31.320
Totally. And you're right. And for. I'm sure there are plenty examples of like, hey, the kids are pressing the parents to go.
Emily Holland
00:35:31.960 - 00:36:03.140
Totally. Yeah. We don't know if Teg beer saying was like, I really want to climb Elbrus. It's also in Russia, which is like. But yeah, you're also.
You, like, you're calling out like, also the dangers of this, which I feel like I Don't know if this is true, but I imagine a six year old is not like fully in control of all of their motor skill. Motor skills. The way that like a fully fledged adult is. And so if, if you're like in an exposed situation, like what?
I don't know if you can trust yourself to be in that.
Colin True
00:36:04.020 - 00:36:09.620
It's also made worse by like the photo. It looks like a little kid wearing his dad's coat on the side.
Emily Holland
00:36:10.020 - 00:36:13.020
Oh, you didn't bring your jack. The right jacket, so I'll give you mine.
Colin True
00:36:13.020 - 00:36:14.820
He looks miserable.
Emily Holland
00:36:15.860 - 00:36:16.740
Not happy at all.
Colin True
00:36:16.740 - 00:36:30.400
Make me climb the mountain. No, I, I have a feeling that like, the kid I experienced, like I crossed paths with is in Utah.
There's probably a better chance that that kid liked what they were doing versus this kid slogging. Eight days on Mount Everest is my, is my guess.
Emily Holland
00:36:30.800 - 00:36:40.160
So, yeah, I see a lot of kids doing crazy things out here and yeah, some of which are crying, some of which are not. So who are we to say, you know, I don't know.
Colin True
00:36:40.160 - 00:37:08.950
Well, and I guess that's sort of. This is, you know, someone with kids.
And having been around a lot of outdoorsy people with kids, I definitely have a bit of a, A, I guess a hotspot or a button that gets pushed. When I've seen a lot of parents where I'm like, you really want to bring your kid out here with it? They don't seem to be enjoying themselves.
You know, who wants to be here more, you or them? You know, and, and at some point does building toughness, you know, cross over into.
Yeah, maybe you're crossing a line here with, with what you're doing with your kid today.
Emily Holland
00:37:08.950 - 00:37:27.780
But yeah, and it's really hard to know because their brains are changing so fast. So like, even if he expressed that he wanted to do that, that six months ago, is that really true?
Kids say all sorts, you know, kids say the darnest stuff. They say they want to climb Mount Elbrus.
Colin True
00:37:29.540 - 00:37:37.700
Gotta be great if there was like a video. And the kids like, no, man, I really wanted to climb Mount Everest.
But also, what do you remember from when you were six, like, to your point, like, you're not gonna have. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Emily Holland
00:37:38.100 - 00:37:43.050
I don't remember anything from that. Maybe fishing, but that was. Yeah, I don't know. Who knows?
Colin True
00:37:43.930 - 00:38:11.410
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That's the other thing it builds. Have you ever said just one mile or have you, like, maybe, how can I make it fewer miles?
Emily Holland
00:38:11.490 - 00:38:22.770
I am. Yeah. I'm more in that my partner is notorious for being like, I think it's just 0.2 more miles, and then it's like 7 more miles.
So I. I just don't trust anything anyone says about how much longer I have anymore.
Colin True
00:38:24.050 - 00:38:31.810
Okay, so we've established that you and I are both early to bed, early to rise. Are you also like, the. Within the first 10 minutes, you're already visualizing what you're going to eat when you're finished?
Emily Holland
00:38:32.210 - 00:38:49.500
Yes. Yeah, I'm definitely. And they're probably going to be 20 chicken tenders, to be honest. But your last. No, I either drink or eat.
Like, sometimes it's really hot. I'm like, I'm going to get a lemonade after this and it's going to change my life. I think so. Yeah. That I'm. Every time it does.
Colin True
00:38:49.500 - 00:38:59.300
Number two, today, because. And also this relates actually to what you just said because you. And you yelling, is this the trail? Every 10 minutes, it's the flip side.
Emily Holland
00:38:59.300 - 00:39:03.960
Of the how many more miles called out? Yeah, this is random.
Colin True
00:39:06.280 - 00:39:10.320
Number three, today you can't hike and doom scroll at the same time, which is a good thing.
Emily Holland
00:39:10.320 - 00:39:11.320
So true. So true.
Colin True
00:39:11.320 - 00:39:50.850
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Emily Holland
00:39:52.290 - 00:39:55.450
I like the ending there. Love hiking. That's just how it is.
Colin True
00:39:56.330 - 00:39:57.290
That's the tagline.
Emily Holland
00:39:57.530 - 00:39:58.010
Yeah.
Colin True
00:40:04.010 - 00:41:04.680
Anyway, for the parting shot today, I need to ask anyone who covers anything that comes out of our current presidential administration to just include all the facts, right? Even if they may seem a little extraneous.
So this Past Monday, SGB Media's SGB executive newsletter put up a post where they praised the work of Jessica Turner and the Outdoor Rec Roundtable for the work they did in preventing Senator Mike Lee's proposed public public land off in the recently passed one big beautiful bill, which makes me throw up a little bit every single time I say it. If you want to listen to Jessica, she was on open container last week to get. You can get the behind the scenes story of that effort.
Anyway, the piece kind of turn turns the one in SGB to highlight what the Trump administration is working on when it comes to its current outdoor policy, starting with the implementation of the Explorer Act.
They signed it this past week, but then also covering two new programs, the Department of the Interior Patriot Program and a new executive order called Make America Beautiful Again. Yeah, Emily's pounding her for it. I'm with you on that.
Emily Holland
00:41:04.680 - 00:41:08.240
They just love an acronym in this administration. They love it.
Colin True
00:41:08.400 - 00:42:30.540
They're going to wear everybody down though. It's just like, oh no, we've always all said that. Right? It also highlighted a number of Trump administration wins.
I'll link the article in the show notes so you can read the whole thing if you like.
When it comes to these new initiatives though, the SGB article, it really feels as if it's presenting the administration and almost like a positive light.
And it also lacks references to things like the Doge staffing cups cuts earlier this year, the recent rollbacks of protections for our national forests, the fact that it is largely agreed upon that the passage of the big beautiful bill will set us back years, if not decades when it comes to combating climate change. And I did reach out to James Hartford at SGB who let me know there was no pro Trump bend to the article.
They were just simply recapping, kept copying what happened.
So I suppose my parting shot, and this is just the world we live in right now, is that I want to use this piece more as a call to action to those covering this dumpster fire of an administration and the moves that they're making. Because anything we report on when it comes to Trump needs to highlight the bad, even if there is some good.
Because I think we all know what he's attempting to do to our country. We are genuinely in fraught times where those of us with a voice need to do what we can to hold the administration accountable.
So I'm not trying to call out sgb. I appreciate James getting back to me, but I just feel like we probably needed a little more color around what all of these things mean.
So that's my parting shot. What do you think?
Emily Holland
00:42:30.540 - 00:42:59.940
Yeah, I think you're right.
I think also, like anything that comes out of this administration that could even be remotely deemed a win for maybe us more progressive, care about the environment, care about civil rights, care about human rights types of people, it just always feels like there's an ulterior motive. And so anything that they do that has, like, some semblance of hope.
I'm also just very wary, and I want there to be a nuanced view in anything that I'm reading or listening to.
Colin True
00:43:00.820 - 00:43:06.180
So you just said it more eloquently than I could have. That's exactly what I'm getting at here.
Emily Holland
00:43:06.580 - 00:44:12.570
Yeah, I just, I listen, I want there to be extreme protections on public lands and a real recognition that the outdoor industry is a huge industry and that outdoor recreation is a super important part of quality of life. And we need to really recognize the damage that this administration has done this time and last time.
So I just think that that was definitely missing. And there was even a part where they were talking about a quote from the White House that said, like, there's been irreparable damage due to.
Done to the outdoor spaces that we love from past administrations. And I'm like, well, I hope you're including yourself in that, because. No, couldn't. Could never.
So anyways, I think that this is probably a great thing for us, and I'm very wary of the moment where he changes his mind and his ego gets in the way and he reverses any executive orders that he put into place. So that's my. That's my parting shot. I don't.
Colin True
00:44:12.970 - 00:44:14.330
You're. Yes. Ending my party.
Emily Holland
00:44:14.410 - 00:44:16.890
Trust no. Trust no. That's what I say.
Colin True
00:44:17.530 - 00:44:17.970
It's.
Emily Holland
00:44:17.970 - 00:44:18.210
Yeah.
Colin True
00:44:18.210 - 00:44:45.440
I mean, that's. To your point, though. That's kind of the thing. There's.
There's occasionally you see, like, the top, like, whatever he's using to sell what he wants to do. And it's like, well, I could see there being, like, a need for that or whatever.
But then it's like when you get into, like, why it's actually happening, and it's all built on a better lies, you know, like, the only reason that bill passed is because it was largely unpopular with everybody. But I was like, well, I don't want. I don't want them to primary me, the Republicans. So, like, so we're going to vote for it. I mean.
Emily Holland
00:44:45.440 - 00:44:45.920
Yeah.
Colin True
00:44:46.560 - 00:44:48.080
Like, that's where we are with things.
Emily Holland
00:44:48.320 - 00:45:20.300
Yeah. I mean, this seems like a tangent but literally an inciting a war.
He, he was literally trying to have a ceasefire happen, like the first couple days of Israel bombing Iran and saying, like, no, no, we' not going to get involved. And then his ego came into play and he decided to get involved.
And so I, I mean, I, he's done that time and time again, so how could this be any different? I mean, hurt people. Hurt people. And he's a really hurt person.
Colin True
00:45:20.540 - 00:45:26.260
He really is. Yeah. And like, you know, we, we don't, I mean, obviously we touch on politics a lot now, but it's.
Emily Holland
00:45:26.260 - 00:45:27.980
Yeah. Sorry, I went a little down there.
Colin True
00:45:28.140 - 00:46:01.070
No, I just, you know, we're about to guarantee you next Monday we'll be talking about 10 tariffs because all the tariff stuff's going down this week. Right. I mean, it's just so fun.
I, I, you know, I, I really do believe, and that's kind of my point is, like, if we have a voice, it's important to continue to reiterate the truth, because that's kind of what their playbook is right now, is to kind of like, you know, control the narrative.
And, you know, that don't tell me about Make America Beautiful Again after you just, like, laid off, you know, all the people in the, you know, the Forest Service and the National Park Service and, like, you need break, you know, so I think it warrants mentioning. So totally. That's it.
Emily Holland
00:46:01.070 - 00:46:04.230
I think it does. Yeah. All right. That's it. That's all. That's all we got. All right.
Colin True
00:46:04.950 - 00:46:07.270
Should we. Anything, Anything. We want to end on a lighter note.
Emily Holland
00:46:07.830 - 00:46:16.630
Make America Collins hair again. Make America Make Collins hair. Everyone's hair. I'm just trying to think of a better tagline.
Colin True
00:46:17.590 - 00:46:20.870
It doesn't work. I don't fit into the Trump model. Fortunately for me.
Emily Holland
00:46:20.870 - 00:46:22.150
You can't put me in a box.
Colin True
00:46:22.150 - 00:46:27.120
You can't put me in the Trump. Well, thanks for co hosting today.
Emily Holland
00:46:27.680 - 00:46:38.800
Yeah, These are big shoes to fill. But I was happy to do it. Happy to come on here.
I was like, every time I get to talk to Colin on the Rock Butt, I just feel like, oh, I can just be like my sassy full self. It's great.
Colin True
00:46:40.480 - 00:46:44.560
So any potential clients ignore this episode and don't listen.
Emily Holland
00:46:45.040 - 00:46:47.920
I don't have any personality. I'm just an avatar on the Internet.
Colin True
00:46:50.490 - 00:47:11.130
All right, that's the show for today. Hey, we want your emails. Send them to myrockflightmail.com the Rock Fight's a production of Rock Fight LLC.
For today's very special guest host, Emily Holland. I'm Colin true. Thanks for listening. Here to take us out our guy krista makes I'm gonna go see Kristen makes and lesson Jake in two weeks.
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00:47:11.130 - 00:48:11.840
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