Why Do People Keep Petting Bison? Plus: Billboards Trolls & ThredUp On The Rise
- colin7931
- May 14
- 41 min read
Today on The Rock Fight Colin & outdoor author and journalist Shawnté Salabert hit the following topics:
MLFNOW on MyOutdoorTV! Yes, we also thought it said what you thought it said, but don't worry the link is completely SFW. (06:07)
Resale platform ThredUp raised its sales and earnings targets for the year after a strong first quarter. Secondhand FTW! (10:30)
300 billboards in 40 different cities around the country have been put up highlighting national parks in the area and the tagline “Now With Reduced Staff, Made Possible by D.O.G.E.” We appreciate a good troll around here. (16:09)
It's time for a new segment we call WHY DO PEOPLE?! This week we look at Why Do People Continue To Pet Bison? Why? Why do people?! (21:25)
Lastly for The Parting Shot, Shawnté points out a different way that women are marginalized in the outdoors. (34:58)
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Episode Transcript:
Colin True
00:00:00.480 - 00:00:53.570
Welcome to the Rock Fight, where we speak our truth, slay sacred cows, and sometimes agree to disagree. This is an outdoor podcast that aims for the head.
I'm Colin True and today Shantae Salibar and I will be talking about a whole bunch of outdoor adventure topics. But before we get to any of that, this is our third episode of the week here on the Rock Fight.
So if you missed the other ones, go back to Monday and Tuesday's episodes and check them out. And then be sure to come back for the Battle Royale this Friday to hear Chante Salibair, Doug Schnitzbahn and I do the first ever Outdoor Town Draft.
And lastly, are you heading to Switchback in June? If so, be sure to put the Rock Fight live on your agenda for Tuesday, June 17th at 5 o' clock in the trailheads Theater. I'm going to be there.
Producer Dave's going to be there. Owen's going to be there. Shantae's going to be there. If Switchback is going to be the event of the summer, this will be the event at the event.
Don't miss it. And all right, stick around. We'll be right back.
Chris DeMakes
00:00:53.810 - 00:00:57.490
Welcome to the Rock Fight. Rock Fight. Rock Fight.
Colin True
00:01:00.770 - 00:02:11.330
All right folks, time to set the record straight. A few weeks back, listeners heard me rant on about a new sandal from Lem's Shoes.
That sandal, the new Switchback sandal is a classic single strap, single post style that I, without much knowledge, accused of being just like someone else. What I wasn't informed on was Lem's unique take on making footwear and let's just say a few rocks were thrown back at me.
And rightly so because Lem's has really elevated the design of minimalist natural natural movement footwear, anatomically correct zero drop comfort and lightweight outdoor performance.
And the Switchback, it's crafted from a single piece of material and features a unique single strap design with one buckle for super ease of use, added comfort and getting it on outside. You can go get yourself a pair right now@lemshoes.com where you'll also find that LEMS is running a 20% off sale from now until May 11th.
Oh, and hey retailers, did you know that Lemz is looking for wholesale partners? Hit them up@supportemshoes.com to add a little flavor to your shoe Wal.
And be sure to stop by and say hi to the Lem's team at their booth at Switchback in Nashville this June. Check out the new Switchback sandal and all of Lem's shoes by heading over to lemshoes.com youm're listening to rock Fight Radio.
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00:03:08.730 - 00:03:46.680
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It will be sure to put a smile on your toes. And now back to the show. All right, it's Wednesday. Shantae's here with me.
We're going to be running through some stories that come out of the outdoor adventure community like we do. But Shantae, it sounds like you had a little adventurous weekend yourself this past weekend.
I know it's Wednesday now, but this past weekend you got out of town. You did, you did some stuff.
Shawnté Salabert
00:03:46.760 - 00:04:02.730
I did. I did some stuff. I. I went up to Bend, Oregon via Portland.
I had to fly into Portland and take a shuttle bus to Bend because Avelo canceled my flights and then booked me on two different days because they decided to run deportation flights for the government. So.
Colin True
00:04:02.890 - 00:04:03.690
Are you serious?
Shawnté Salabert
00:04:03.690 - 00:04:05.090
Yes. Yes, I'm serious.
Colin True
00:04:05.090 - 00:04:07.770
Oh, dear God. So you had to do the. That's not a short drive.
Shawnté Salabert
00:04:07.930 - 00:04:13.370
No. Well, somebody else did the driving, which was really nice. So I just looked at pretty, pretty trees.
Colin True
00:04:14.010 - 00:04:14.890
What is happening?
Shawnté Salabert
00:04:15.130 - 00:04:17.250
Mount Hood was out the whole time, which was really nice.
Colin True
00:04:17.250 - 00:04:19.170
That's nice. That is nice. When the volcanoes are out.
Shawnté Salabert
00:04:19.170 - 00:04:49.310
Yeah, yeah, it was nice. But I went down to Bend, good old Bend, Oregon for an event called Adventurous Women or Adventurous Women Escape.
It's a old friend of mine, Saria Tilden, who I met when we were both teaching at the Sierra Club. Well, technically, I was a student, and I went on one of her trips and I got a giant wad of cholla stuck in my calf about five minutes into the trip.
We got it out, and then I got a pencil cholla through my shoe just a couple minutes later. And she actually.
Colin True
00:04:49.310 - 00:04:50.150
Oh, dear God.
Shawnté Salabert
00:04:50.310 - 00:04:57.890
She was. She thought I was a plant because she was testing out to be a leader and she thought. She's like, is this woman doing this on purpose?
I was like, no, I'm in pain.
Colin True
00:04:57.970 - 00:04:58.930
Yeah, you're bleeding.
Shawnté Salabert
00:04:59.090 - 00:05:14.770
Yeah. But so instead of kicking me off the trip, we actually became really good friends. And that.
I don't know what that says about either of us, but she invites me now to come up and teach at this women's event. It's super cool. I'll tell you more about it later. But yeah, yeah, I know you got.
Colin True
00:05:14.770 - 00:05:15.570
Our parting shot later.
Shawnté Salabert
00:05:15.570 - 00:05:22.770
I got a parting shot, but yeah, I got to teach navigation. You know how I feel about map and compass, and I don't know if I do.
Colin True
00:05:23.010 - 00:05:24.650
How do you feel about map and compass?
Shawnté Salabert
00:05:24.650 - 00:05:29.070
I have a deep, abiding affection for them both. I love a little analog neck navigation.
Colin True
00:05:29.470 - 00:05:30.590
Oh, we got a problem.
Shawnté Salabert
00:05:30.590 - 00:05:32.510
You gotta put Red Fred in the shed, man.
Colin True
00:05:32.990 - 00:05:39.550
We. We have a. We had a problem because, you know, when Owen was giving me grief for how you left him off of our adventure Racing team.
Shawnté Salabert
00:05:39.710 - 00:05:41.390
Why do we have to keep bringing that up?
Colin True
00:05:41.950 - 00:05:47.390
He was telling me how that would be his role would be as navigator on the adventure racing team. So now we got a competition.
Shawnté Salabert
00:05:47.710 - 00:05:52.910
Well, I can't compete with Owen until he's fully forgiven me, so he gets to be the head navigator.
Colin True
00:05:52.910 - 00:05:56.510
This is. I am totally gaslighting you into you thinking it was you, because you are.
Shawnté Salabert
00:05:56.510 - 00:06:05.210
Even though I know. You know what? You're right, Colin. Actually, it was all along you. What is it, you rascally kids. Curses.
Colin True
00:06:06.330 - 00:06:14.490
Oh, my goodness. Well, our top stories today are presented by your hub for Ultralight Gear Garage Growing Gear. Head togarrowing gear.com and check them out.
Shawnté Salabert
00:06:15.290 - 00:06:19.290
I'm so happy, Colin, that you did not refer to it as ggg.
Colin True
00:06:19.690 - 00:06:21.290
Let me look ahead. Was that for me?
Shawnté Salabert
00:06:21.290 - 00:06:22.290
Don't do it. If you're too.
Colin True
00:06:22.290 - 00:06:23.330
I might at the end. It's in.
Shawnté Salabert
00:06:23.330 - 00:06:23.770
Please don't.
Colin True
00:06:23.770 - 00:06:26.810
They write the copy. They refer to themselves as ggg.
Shawnté Salabert
00:06:26.890 - 00:06:35.990
Lloyd, I know you and I don't really know each other, but please don't refer to yourself as GGG anymore. It's say G Man Loy Vogel. Oh, my God.
Colin True
00:06:36.630 - 00:07:18.472
All right, anyway, on Monday's episode of the Rock Fight, we inducted founding members of the outdoor industry into what we call the Self Inflicted Wound hall of Fame.
And this first story, I'm not sure it's a first ballot member of that hall of Fame, but it is definitely up for consideration because per a press release, Major League Fishing, which I didn't know was a thing, but apparently it's a thing, it's going to be hosting a quote field of top pro anglers at the 2025 Major League Fashion Tackle Warehouse Invitationals. And then it's all going to be streamed live on my outdoor tv. But the Self Inflicted Wound here, Major League Fishing, Abbreviates itself as MLF.
And when you look at it, 90% of the world, 99% of the world will look at it as MILF.
Shawnté Salabert
00:07:18.708 - 00:07:21.770
99.9% of the world is looking at that as MILF.
Colin True
00:07:21.930 - 00:07:26.570
It's so egregious. You open it up and it reads, streaming live on MILF now.
Shawnté Salabert
00:07:26.970 - 00:07:35.350
Wow. Like, they're going to get a whole different market share and maybe that's why they're doing that.
I mean, there's going to be some accidental tune inside for sure.
Colin True
00:07:35.830 - 00:07:43.270
I guess that's really my first question. Were they in on it? Were they like, oh, yeah, we know that this is gonna, like, reach a certain demographic.
Shawnté Salabert
00:07:44.070 - 00:07:55.910
A good bass. Good. A good bass. See, this is what happens because I'm in music. I think of the word bass and I think bass.
A good bass, A nice, healthy bass, and a milf. I mean, what more do you want on a. On a.
Colin True
00:07:56.070 - 00:07:58.390
Who's gonna clean the fish? You know? Right.
Shawnté Salabert
00:07:59.110 - 00:08:08.280
That's what milfs do. They're there to clean and to sensually tantalize you sexually. Tantalized is a phrase I've never said and I don't think I'll ever say again.
Colin True
00:08:08.280 - 00:08:19.160
Well, we're off to a rip, Ron. Salad here in the pod. I mean, I just.
I just kind of looked at them like I think they need to get like, you know, pornhub as a sponsor, I think is probably what they should do. I think it's in the cards for. For. For MILF now on my outdoor tv.
Shawnté Salabert
00:08:19.240 - 00:08:34.280
Wow. I mean, we are recording this the day after Mother's Day, so I don't know how I feel about MILF jokes the day after Mother's Day.
But, yeah, I had no idea there was. I'm just gonna say I had no idea there was something called the Major League. And it's just major League fishing, right?
It's not like Major League of Fishing. It's not.
Colin True
00:08:35.450 - 00:08:39.770
No, no. It's just mlf. But when it's capitalized, it looks like milf.
Shawnté Salabert
00:08:39.770 - 00:09:41.760
It does. I mean, I have to say watching fishing is second only for me in sports related boredom to watching golf.
And I say this as somebody who owns multiple fishing rods, but honestly, now when I saw this, all I could think about is the absolute inordinate amount of time I spent watching this show called John Gillespie's Waters and Woods Build as this is what it's billed as the Midwest number one fishing show. And my stepdad loves John Gillespie the fisherman, the, the celebrity fisherman in the Midwestern states. And we.
I have watched so many episodes of that show. It's unlike just. Just strange. Absolutely strange. But he says he yells things in the show like they'll have a dramatic reenactment.
Like he's getting a musky or something and he'll be like, get the frable. Get the frable to whoever his assistant person is. And I'm like, what's a frable? For like a full year, I had no idea what a frable was.
And my stepdad and my son, sister would just yell it at each other randomly throughout the day. And I found out it's like some sort of net or something. But anyway, I guess I didn't know that. More exciting than golf, apparently. Mil.
Very milfy, I think.
Colin True
00:09:42.320 - 00:10:05.500
I think. And maybe it's a regional thing because in New England there's Charlie Moore, the mad fisherman.
I don't know if this is still on, but this is when I was like late 90s, early 2000s, and he's like a Boston guy, thick Boston accent, and he's like going all over New England and he's really like. He definitely plays to the camera, right?
And it's like, tries to make it as interesting as possible, understanding that he's fishing, but he goes to little ponds and places all over New England and like does fishing, fishing stuff. So maybe that's a thing.
Shawnté Salabert
00:10:05.740 - 00:10:15.500
I love the idea that there's just a subculture of people who are this into fishing. It's like their, you know, their super bowl is maybe. Maybe the MILF is their Super Bowl. I don't know.
Colin True
00:10:15.740 - 00:10:19.260
It could be. I'm starting to think that they're in on the joke, that they did it on purpose.
Shawnté Salabert
00:10:19.820 - 00:10:21.820
Please tell me, please tell me Milf. Are you?
Colin True
00:10:21.820 - 00:11:03.430
If anyone knows myrockfight gmail.com we needed to get to the bottom of this. And yeah, so MILF tv. Good job. Major league fishing. Next story.
While we love our new stuff here on the rock fight, we've also been beating the resale drum since we've been around. So it was encouraging to see that per SGB resale platform, ThredUp raised its sales and earnings targets for the year after a strong first quarter.
Even if the self inflicted wound that is the tariff situation, this is a running theme. I guess this week that we're dealing with resolves in a positive manner.
Resale is still a giant opportunity for the outdoor industry and I don't think you and I have had a chance to talk about this in the pod yet. So I was kind of curious of your thoughts on resale and secondhand and companies like Thredup.
Shawnté Salabert
00:11:03.750 - 00:11:21.030
No, I love it. I love it. I mean, I have been thrifting since childhood. It was a thing my mom and I would do.
She'd give me like five bucks and be like, have at a kid. And I would just come out with a bunch of scarves. I don't know why I was really into scarves as a kid. Scarves and aprons and teapots.
I don't know if I was cosplaying like teapots. Interesting Poppins or something.
Colin True
00:11:21.030 - 00:11:24.950
I would say, were you like a British, you know, upper class, you know.
Shawnté Salabert
00:11:25.910 - 00:11:28.810
Like a spot of tea? Nope.
Colin True
00:11:28.970 - 00:11:30.170
Do you fancy a crimpet?
Shawnté Salabert
00:11:30.170 - 00:11:31.930
A little crumpet? A scone?
Colin True
00:11:31.930 - 00:11:32.410
Crumpet.
Shawnté Salabert
00:11:32.410 - 00:11:35.610
A scum. Which I learned. I. I always thought they were scones.
Colin True
00:11:35.610 - 00:11:37.930
Why are they scun? It's not a u.
Shawnté Salabert
00:11:38.250 - 00:11:41.210
No, it's just like a disappointed biscuit. Scum.
Colin True
00:11:41.850 - 00:11:44.810
I have notes. England. All right, sorry. Keep going. About second hand.
Shawnté Salabert
00:11:44.810 - 00:11:52.250
Yeah, that's our next. That's a special episode next week. British boners. Did you cultivate? You did. I listened to part of the episode.
Colin True
00:11:52.250 - 00:11:53.170
We said brand boners.
Shawnté Salabert
00:11:53.170 - 00:11:54.210
You did say brand boners?
Colin True
00:11:54.210 - 00:11:55.370
Yeah, and it's in the show notes too.
Shawnté Salabert
00:11:55.370 - 00:11:56.830
I couldn't really happy about that. Good job.
Colin True
00:11:57.300 - 00:11:57.580
Thank you.
Shawnté Salabert
00:11:57.580 - 00:12:23.340
Thank you, but no. Okay, so to the topic at hand. I'm a big fan of secondhand and, and especially when it comes to outdoor gear.
I mean, we have so much crap in this world and there's just this sheer amount of things. You go into a dollar store, you go into the average person's house.
There's just so much that we all have and you know, I feel like we just are at this point where we consider everything to be disposable, including in a lot of ways other human beings, which is its own topic.
Colin True
00:12:23.740 - 00:12:26.940
Yeah. As evidenced by why you had to drive the bend this weekend.
Shawnté Salabert
00:12:27.020 - 00:13:31.810
That's right. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. But I really do think, you know the answer to like people.
People are upset with the tariffs, obviously for all the big reasons. You know, we talk about how it's gonna. It would kill small businesses for these to stay as large as they've been or they've been announced as.
And you know, one of the answers, if we're thinking about like, well, are we. What are we gonna do? We don't wanna cut down our forests. We don't wanna mine everything out of the ground here. And we just keep pushing it onto.
Maybe we should actually turn an eye inward and look at how we're consuming things. And I think the secondhand marketplace is a good way to do that because you can still get that little Pavlovian ding in your brain, you know, 100%.
You still get to consume. You could still buy some things. But yeah, I also think when it comes to outdoor gear, I mean, I'm very particular.
I look on Poshmark though and I will look up the hokas I use. I'll look.
I have found brand new hokas like older models because there's nothing that drives me nuts more than the fact that they continually change like 1 millimeter of the shoe. Charge you 10 extra dollars and call it a new shoe.
Colin True
00:13:32.610 - 00:13:34.610
It's the 8.5. It's like.
Shawnté Salabert
00:13:35.010 - 00:13:38.050
And that 1 millimeter of change just fucks up your whole foot.
Colin True
00:13:38.210 - 00:13:39.970
Right. And you get corns.
Shawnté Salabert
00:13:40.050 - 00:14:06.780
And you get corns. Never forget. I won't. But I. It drives me nuts. But. So I can go. I've gone on Poshmark and found brand new hoka Speedgoats version 2.
The Speed Goats that I used to hike in all the time. Now I'm. Now I'm an ultra girl. But. But yeah, so I'll do that.
I recommend for people who are getting into especially things like backpacking and hiking. Like, I wouldn't recommend you buy used climbing gear or anything else.
Colin True
00:14:06.780 - 00:14:07.100
Right.
Shawnté Salabert
00:14:07.100 - 00:14:07.940
For safety related.
Colin True
00:14:08.020 - 00:14:11.140
We don't know where this harness has been, but you could buy it for 50 bucks.
Shawnté Salabert
00:14:11.140 - 00:14:34.200
Yeah. This rope looks good on the outside. We have no idea if there's an intact core. Good luck to you. Yeah, it's great. I do, I do Poshmark.
I love my local buy nothing group. I think Thredup is, is a great opportunity. Yeah. There's just so many options out here. I go back to that sort of like 90s.
It takes me back to the natural wonder store when I think of that phrase, I feel like it was big in the 90s, like reduce, reuse, recycle.
Colin True
00:14:34.200 - 00:14:34.680
It was.
Shawnté Salabert
00:14:34.680 - 00:14:35.920
Yeah, it was a 90s thing.
Colin True
00:14:35.920 - 00:14:39.120
Yeah, I think it's still a thing too, isn't it? Is it still a thing? It must be still a thing.
Shawnté Salabert
00:14:39.120 - 00:14:40.640
Well, I'm gonna make it a thing.
Colin True
00:14:40.640 - 00:14:41.600
All right, here we go.
Shawnté Salabert
00:14:41.680 - 00:14:57.630
Listen, take that beautiful 90s environmental maxim to heart. Y' all, like, think of the Natural Wonder store. Maybe a Puta Mayo CD is like chimes, chimes ringing in the background.
You're well, wearing like a wolf T shirt. Reduce, reuse, recycle. I think this is great. I love to see it.
Colin True
00:14:58.270 - 00:15:26.490
Well, and as I know you and I have battled in the past about the phrase cotton kills and understanding that in your backpacking world there is still a place for that.
But largely, especially in warm weather activities as people tend to take more liberties with how they dress going outside, like river chips, bike grabs.
You see a lot more button down shirts and stuff like that, which I'm not a huge fan of, but I understand why people are just go to the thrift shop, go to Goodwill. You get a beat up shirt that you can sweat it and get gross and go climbing in or something like that. Yeah, it makes sense.
Shawnté Salabert
00:15:26.730 - 00:15:35.610
By the way, there was a woman this weekend at the event I was teaching at who we were joking about cotton Kills and she's like, well, in the army we call it the fabric of death.
Colin True
00:15:36.970 - 00:15:37.450
Wow.
Shawnté Salabert
00:15:37.690 - 00:15:41.690
Wow. That's even more aggressive. I'll try to work that in in the future.
Colin True
00:15:42.010 - 00:15:47.930
It's like if we, if next time when we do outdoor industry band names, that's going to be a leading contender. The fabric of death.
Shawnté Salabert
00:15:48.330 - 00:15:50.170
The fabric of our death.
Colin True
00:15:51.940 - 00:15:52.580
Yeah, that's right.
Shawnté Salabert
00:15:52.580 - 00:15:59.860
I didn't want to go full gun. I could do full screamo there, but I didn't want to scare the listener or you. Maybe I'd be willing to scare you, but.
Colin True
00:16:00.420 - 00:16:02.180
Well, we all appreciate that you didn't.
Shawnté Salabert
00:16:03.380 - 00:16:04.900
You and my microphone are grateful.
Colin True
00:16:04.900 - 00:16:46.030
That's right. I got to buy another microphone. Keep blowing them out. Last one. Before we move on to our main topic.
Per an article on MLive.com 300 billboards in 40 different cities around the countries have been put up that are highlighting national parks in the area with the tagline now with reduced staff made possible by doge.
And it's been paid for by nonprofit, More Perfect Union, which uses grassroots organizing to raise awareness about and support issues faced by the working class. By working class Americans, I mean, just great.
I love a Little troll like that in a public place that, you know, you don't know who's gonna drive by that on a daily basis and how, what their reaction might be, and. Right on the right. Right on the mark. Yeah. Cause it is. It's just honest. There's nothing made up about it.
Shawnté Salabert
00:16:46.030 - 00:18:09.320
Well, and I love too. So it just uses that traditional, like they look, if you haven't seen them, it's in. It's. It's in the news this week.
And I think it's actually 400 billboards in 40 different cities. And they targeted places near, you know, gateway towns and things like that, but big cities, highways, stuff like that.
But I love that it's using the, you know, the traditional. You look at it and you think, oh, I love that park. Look at that. Beautiful.
Looks like a postcard or like a visitor's bureau made it or a chamber of commerce or something. And then you look at the words, you're like, wait a minute. And I love it because I think it's really designed to hit the everyday person.
It's like, you know, I said this, I think, last week.
Public lands, outdoor access, these are generally bipartisan issues, you know, And I think this kind of advocacy is a great use of messaging, money, time, effort. Because it's going to hit a lot of different people in a really. On like a, you know, non online sort of way, like a very analog way.
People are going to see it.
And that reduced staff thing is going to hit all these people who are planning trips, maybe not planning trips this summer because they're worried what the park experience is going to be like.
I think really at the end of the day, day, the everyday person, the average person who is not politically engaged has to become angry for a lot of this stuff to change.
So I want those Midwestern moms and like rural talk radio loving uncles to just get angry when they realize, like, oh, shit, this is gonna suck for all of us.
Colin True
00:18:10.360 - 00:18:45.500
You gotta go. Full inception, right?
Like, I was literally just today was listening to a songwriting podcast, you know, where the artist breaks down their songs with the host. And the. The person was saying about how there's like a scientific study about how you.
One of the hardest things you can do is try to get someone to change their mind. Like, we are so, like, glued to our thoughts that even in the face of evidence, we oftentimes will not change our mind.
And so you can't just say you're wrong about the guy you voted for or you're wrong about how you feel about a Certain way. But what you can do is put up a sign. It's like, hey, you like national parks, right? Yeah. They're kind of getting fucked up right now.
Shawnté Salabert
00:18:45.580 - 00:18:45.940
Right.
Colin True
00:18:45.940 - 00:19:04.120
And that. Right. That might just like that might just flip a little trigger in someone's head. Like oh wait, what? You know, and like so you have to.
To kind of give. You have to implant the thought like an inception so it becomes their own idea. Otherwise it's just not going to work.
I love a big, you know, billboard that makes fun of things that I don't like. Of course. Who doesn't? But it's like it doesn't do anything.
Shawnté Salabert
00:19:04.360 - 00:19:42.260
Right? Yeah. Shaming. I feel like that's the whole thing is like being real shamy with people. Just listen, I get it.
We all have some rage we'd like to take out on our fellow Americans from time to time. But that, that shamy stuff just doesn't work. It doesn't change minds. Nobody's going to go, wow, Shantae, thank you.
Thanks for being, you know, piously angry at me. I would love to change my mind. No, it's gotta impact like their day to day. But almost like you said, almost in that sneaky.
And this is how advertising does this so well. So it's great that they're using advertising to do this. It's like the positive side of advertising, I guess. But yeah, that's that.
That's almost subconscious shift in how you view an issue.
Colin True
00:19:43.300 - 00:19:48.600
Well, good job. More Perfect union. I did it is 300 billboards by the way. I checked. I fact checked it.
Shawnté Salabert
00:19:48.750 - 00:19:53.830
It. That's fine. I like 400 bill. They should have done 400, 440.
Colin True
00:19:53.830 - 00:19:57.630
I mean you had the fours. What are we doing here? You know what? More Perfect Union.
Shawnté Salabert
00:19:58.750 - 00:20:03.230
Where's that extra hundred guys get on it. I'll send you a couple bucks.
Colin True
00:20:04.190 - 00:20:14.030
Well holy. It's Small Business Sales Week 2025. Shantae, you remember when we met that Molly Fueled EDM Festival for Small Business Week Sales Week 1999.
How crazy that was.
Shawnté Salabert
00:20:14.190 - 00:20:16.860
I was wearing my nice natural wonders T shirt, wasn't I?
Colin True
00:20:17.180 - 00:20:21.180
Small Business sales week. It's always off the chain anyway.
Shawnté Salabert
00:20:21.180 - 00:20:21.900
It hits hard.
Colin True
00:20:22.300 - 00:20:54.880
For Small Business Sales Week, Garage Grown Gear has teamed up with over 90 small outdoor gear brands to offer you amazing deals to celebrate all things small business. Now more than ever, it's essential to support small businesses.
After all, they are often the ones leading the way with gear innovation while being most rooted in the actual hiking community. So help us support the small guys to keep Them thriving in today's uncertain world and score the best gear in the process.
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Shawnté Salabert
00:20:54.880 - 00:20:58.840
I can't say it. I saw it in the notes, listeners. He had GGG in there.
Colin True
00:20:58.840 - 00:21:02.040
I copied and pasted it. I didn't write it.
Shawnté Salabert
00:21:02.040 - 00:21:08.120
Lloyd. I'm going to start. I don't even control how the ads are done on this show. But I'm going to start charging more if they want that in there.
Colin True
00:21:08.970 - 00:21:12.650
So that's the Salibert upgrade. That's it. Yeah, that's right.
Shawnté Salabert
00:21:14.970 - 00:21:16.090
Acronym tariff.
Colin True
00:21:16.810 - 00:21:18.850
But if it's a MILF story, it gets a discount.
Shawnté Salabert
00:21:18.850 - 00:21:20.730
That's. Yeah, that's. That's free, basically.
Colin True
00:21:25.050 - 00:21:38.030
All right, our main story today is presented by Oboz who loves hiking and as the cupid of the outdoors, Oboz wants you to love hiking just as much as they do. And our main story, I think it's our new segment and we're gonna it call you coined it. It's time for why do people.
Shawnté Salabert
00:21:38.270 - 00:21:42.830
Why do people in all caps. This is because I texted it to you. Why do people.
Colin True
00:21:43.230 - 00:22:16.540
Question mark, exclamation point. You gotta have both. Yes, you did, you sent me this story.
According to people.com, a 47 year old Florida man was gored by a bison in Yellowstone national park earlier this month. This is one claim that Florida man can't claim for himself though.
Cause as we're gonna find out, the man was gored after he approached the bison too closely and he sustained minor injuries. Now this is the first incident of this type for 2025.
According to the same article, there were two similar incidents in 2024, one of which when a 40 year old man kicked a bison.
Shawnté Salabert
00:22:17.100 - 00:22:18.060
Sir, just.
Colin True
00:22:18.700 - 00:22:21.500
I assume, I assume substances were involved. They must have been.
Shawnté Salabert
00:22:21.500 - 00:22:25.020
Yeah. All the brain cells had left the building at that point. Through his foot, I guess.
Colin True
00:22:25.500 - 00:22:31.660
And another when an 83 year old woman got too close to a bison and then was gored and lifted about a foot off the ground.
Shawnté Salabert
00:22:32.240 - 00:22:32.560
Wow.
Colin True
00:22:33.200 - 00:22:39.680
So these types of incidents occur frequently enough that. Shantae have to ask why? Why do people, why do people do this?
Shawnté Salabert
00:22:40.000 - 00:22:40.880
Why do people.
Colin True
00:22:41.920 - 00:22:46.960
What's the attraction? I mean, is it that unobvious that things could go poorly?
Shawnté Salabert
00:22:47.280 - 00:23:05.860
You know, you'd think Colin, for you and I, you and I, like I've seen bison, I've been to Yellowstone, I've been in the car when they come in their herd and they're really close to the car and everything. There was not one single cell in my body that was like, let's get out of the car. My every part of my body wanted to go deeper into the car.
How can you get inside the.
Colin True
00:23:05.940 - 00:23:07.780
That is a massive animal.
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:08.580 - 00:23:27.300
I mean, I get the curiosity, right?
Like, you know, I do not know how many times I've said to friends when I'm out, you know, oh, I just want to hold or pet or adopt or cuddle that marmot, raccoon, you know, black bear, squirrel. It is it. Listen, I suffer from a little bit of cute aggression with my own cat, so I understand it.
Colin True
00:23:27.460 - 00:23:28.580
Cute aggression?
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:28.580 - 00:23:40.080
Yeah, it's. You just want to pick them up and just go.
That's a technical term, but yeah, I mean, when you just motorboat your cat in the belly, like, that's, that's a light bit of cute aggression.
Colin True
00:23:40.080 - 00:23:41.920
Is that a MILF callback or is that a.
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:44.000 - 00:23:48.880
That's, yeah. Next up on pornhub, the pornhub of the outdoors. When you motorboat.
Colin True
00:23:48.960 - 00:23:49.920
Cat motorboating.
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:50.240 - 00:23:52.920
Yeah. Mountain. There would be mountain lining. Motorbike these people.
Colin True
00:23:52.920 - 00:23:54.600
This guy would motorboat a mountain line.
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:54.600 - 00:24:09.190
Clearly, because he's, I think so Florida man will do anything thing. I mean, we know that. The best part too is that that article, and it wasn't the only one, you know, people reported on it.
There's a couple other places and a lot of them said Florida man in the headline. And it's just, at this point, it's.
Colin True
00:24:09.270 - 00:24:11.830
Chef'S kiss every time. It never gets old.
Shawnté Salabert
00:24:11.830 - 00:24:56.250
Yeah, it doesn't. I'm, I, I'm ready, willing and able to ingest all Florida man headlines.
But I do think, I think, you know, for most people, the survival instinct kicks in and then.
But some people just feel safer doing stupid in national parks because they figure, oh, it's not going to be that dangerous they're letting roam around here. There's railings, all that. And, And B, somebody's going to come help me if I get hurt.
It's that weird sense of like, I can do no, no wrong because I am protected here. You see it in Yosemite, like every year people drown in that park. Even though there's, I mean, the signs are in so many different languages.
There's, there's pictures that are just very morbid of people drowning. It's just like one hand in the water and the hand is like, well.
Colin True
00:24:56.250 - 00:25:04.670
It'S, it's like the Grand Canyon side of the people puking during getting heat stroke. And it's so gr. And it's like, this is why these signs exist.
Shawnté Salabert
00:25:04.830 - 00:25:09.470
It's just a mystery to me. I mean, I guess at least we get some good headlines out of it.
Colin True
00:25:09.470 - 00:25:39.750
I mean, I just can't conceive of this. Like, I. Like so the. I was trying to think of animal encounters I had where I haven't felt safe. I'm a dog owner. I've been a dog owner my entire life.
I own two dogs right now. And even just right not that long ago, someone had their dog off leash and it came charging at me while I was just on a walk. It wasn't even a hike.
And it was, you know, so it's just like. That's a dog hook, right? You know, like. So you know that like, smaller animals that can just be. Can really do damaging or very. Can be vicious.
Shawnté Salabert
00:25:39.750 - 00:25:40.230
Oh, yeah.
Colin True
00:25:40.230 - 00:25:46.150
The other one is, you know, sometimes, you know, you get on a trail if it's going through, like pasture land or something like that, and you can encounter cows.
Shawnté Salabert
00:25:46.230 - 00:25:50.470
Oh, I have been menaced by cows more than once.
Colin True
00:25:50.790 - 00:25:56.190
And it's like. And you feel like I should be able to kind of maneuver this thing or get around it, but it's still.
They've got horns and they're like, you know, it's just.
Shawnté Salabert
00:25:56.190 - 00:26:00.870
And they're mooing very aggressively. I mean, there's like a cute moo and then there's like a. I would murder you.
Colin True
00:26:01.430 - 00:26:02.130
Yeah, right.
Shawnté Salabert
00:26:02.440 - 00:26:03.240
Yeah, exactly.
Colin True
00:26:03.560 - 00:26:09.480
And so I'm just trying to picture myself of the situation where I'd be like, you know, I'm going to go touch the bison.
Shawnté Salabert
00:26:11.400 - 00:26:38.900
That's like the people who go in the hot springs, though, it's all the same people. I feel like, you know, we talk a lot about how people. There's all these distant genetic relatives that we share.
I feel like all those people must be related somehow. Yeah, you're probably right through line. I need the DNA.
Like, if any scientists in this country still have funding, I want them to stop what they're doing and just research. Like, what is the genetic tie in for people who touch wild animals and people who jump in hot springs and go over the railing at Yosemite.
Colin True
00:26:39.300 - 00:26:46.660
It's an interesting point about, like, sometimes if there's lack of railings, maybe that's the dots. Like, well, there would be a railing here if we weren't supposed to go walk up next to this thing.
Shawnté Salabert
00:26:46.660 - 00:27:12.960
No, but they go over the railing. They didn't care. They care. Nobody cares about the railing. I've been.
I've been at Yosemite the last few summers, and I've been up by some of the big waterfalls there, and there are railings and there are the spooky signs and talking about people dying there. And you would not believe half the time there's more people on the other side of the railing than there are on the safe side of the railing.
And I just walked really fast past that because I don't want to have. I don't use my wilderness first response skills, nor would I.
Colin True
00:27:13.360 - 00:27:19.120
You're okay with reading about the who gets who earns the Darwin Awards. You don't want to see the. The act being committed.
Shawnté Salabert
00:27:19.440 - 00:27:21.520
Yeah, I don't want to be a witness to it.
Colin True
00:27:21.999 - 00:27:29.760
I think this does prove why Jurassic park was a bad idea from the beginning. You know, imagine if that was real. Like, hey, look at the T. Rex. I can go touch it, right?
Shawnté Salabert
00:27:30.320 - 00:27:40.140
This does make me want. I want people to write in myrockfightmail.com Tell us. Us. Tell us about your wild animal inappropriate behavior stories.
Colin True
00:27:40.300 - 00:27:40.860
Yeah.
Shawnté Salabert
00:27:41.260 - 00:27:48.620
And then tell us. Tell us why. I just want to, like, send me a brain scan. Something, anything. I just want to know about you and why you're like this.
Colin True
00:27:49.020 - 00:28:00.220
I would like, if you have the, like the. If you know better and you're still like, yeah, you kind of really do want to go touch the bison.
Like, I'd kind of like to understand that more because it just seems like that's an obvious don't touch. Right. Right there.
Shawnté Salabert
00:28:00.220 - 00:28:11.040
It's like the. One of the most obvious don't. But there's been enough stories in the news at this point that people should see a bison.
Bison be the international symbol for an animal not to touch. Like all animals.
Colin True
00:28:11.040 - 00:28:16.440
We've done a rock fight action figure with two close tourists, and it was a bison with a woman like, oh, I'm gonna touch it.
Shawnté Salabert
00:28:18.680 - 00:28:28.120
I think strong pheromones, maybe. Maybe bison just emit really, like. I didn't. I didn't feel it because I was in my car.
Maybe if you're outside of a car and a bison rolls past, you're like, whoa.
Colin True
00:28:28.760 - 00:28:42.340
I do think you're onto something, though, with the. The situation.
Because the only time is I have not been to Yellowstone, but I have been around bison on Antelope island in Salt Lake, in the Great Salt Lake. It's got a big island. There's just wild. Well, I don't. Maybe they're. I don't know. Maybe they're being farmed.
I don't know why they're out there, but they're out there.
Shawnté Salabert
00:28:42.340 - 00:28:43.380
Domesticated bison.
Colin True
00:28:43.540 - 00:29:00.660
There you go. But when you're driving around, because it's just basically a remote island and it's not that visit. Well visited like a Yellowstone is.
And you see them and if you then are driving up to them and they're pretty close. Every instinct in your body is you should stay in your car. Yep, just stay, just stay in your car because that thing will just trample me.
Shawnté Salabert
00:29:00.660 - 00:29:51.360
I mean, I've been to Africa, you know what Africa. I had to. I should actually get out of the car and pee. I was in Tanzania and it was just me and the guy driving the car and I really.
We were out there for hours on the Savannah. We were on the Tanzania, Kenya border in the Serengeti. Like epic, pretty epic thing. And I really had to go to the bathroom and he's like, okay.
But when you leave the vehicle, you have to keep your body touching the Jeep at all times. So I had to slide my back alongside the Jeep, go to the back of the Jeep, squat and pee.
There are like giraffes looking into my soul, zebras looking into my soul. I think there was some wildebeest in the area. Area because it was during the migration.
And then I just slide my little scared ass back inside the Jeep. But that was, that was an exercise in pure trust of that man.
Because I was convinced at any moment, like a rhinoceros or something was going to come out of the bush and just annihilate me.
Colin True
00:29:51.599 - 00:29:53.160
He probably was like, Ah, 50. 50.
Shawnté Salabert
00:29:53.160 - 00:29:54.680
Yeah. He's like, go for it, lady.
Colin True
00:29:54.680 - 00:29:58.320
You can keep. You touch the truck, we'll see what happens. That's right.
Shawnté Salabert
00:29:58.640 - 00:30:00.800
It's like no sweat on my back. You already paid me.
Colin True
00:30:01.360 - 00:30:18.700
That's right. Your check cleared. So we're good. You can live or die, it does not matter. So well, welco to the fold here in 2025. Florida. Man, we missed you.
You know, way to, way to touch that bison and get gourd, but just lightly. Is there a worse descriptor of an injury than being gourd?
Shawnté Salabert
00:30:18.780 - 00:30:26.460
Can I ask when I. I have a very vivid image of what happened to this man. What do you think of when you hear that someone got gored by an animal?
Colin True
00:30:26.620 - 00:30:32.220
I think, I think my mind goes like, obviously something sharp, penetrating, like in your belly. It's like, it feels like a soft tissue.
Shawnté Salabert
00:30:32.220 - 00:30:39.790
Oh, I go right to the butt. Yeah, I just imagine that that horn is going right to your buns. One bun. Your right bun.
Colin True
00:30:39.950 - 00:31:02.330
You are not sitting well for a long time, sir. Oh, that is really funny. Well, we'll never know. Florida man. Keep it to yourself.
But today's main story on the rock fight was presented by Oboz, who wants to share their love of hiking. And we want to help them by uncovering all the different reasons we love to take the long walk. Including the following. Number one, Bears don't send.
They just like. They're like bison. They sit around and wait for you to hug them.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:02.330 - 00:31:02.690
Aw.
Colin True
00:31:03.170 - 00:31:04.090
That's why they're there.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:04.090 - 00:31:04.890
That's why they're there.
Colin True
00:31:04.890 - 00:31:06.570
Bears are fine. You can hug a bear all you want.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:06.570 - 00:31:07.370
Oh yeah, go for it.
Colin True
00:31:07.370 - 00:31:07.730
Yeah.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:07.730 - 00:31:09.010
Brown bear, have at it.
Colin True
00:31:09.970 - 00:31:13.890
Number two. I had to include this one today. Nature does not judge your ugly hiking socks.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:14.609 - 00:31:19.010
What is this about? Have you found. No, they're not ugly.
Colin True
00:31:19.650 - 00:31:22.130
Well, anytime you're kind of highlighting your toes, it's not a great look.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:22.210 - 00:31:24.050
You don't know my toes. You've never seen them.
Colin True
00:31:24.290 - 00:31:24.830
I've seen.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:24.980 - 00:31:26.340
Seen. You haven't.
Colin True
00:31:26.500 - 00:31:29.060
They're so covered up. I mean like anytime you're accentuating and.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:29.060 - 00:31:31.940
They'Re going to remain covered up since you obviously won't appreciate them.
Colin True
00:31:32.180 - 00:31:33.420
Do you have good looking toes?
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:33.420 - 00:31:34.740
I don't know. They're just toes.
Colin True
00:31:34.980 - 00:31:35.460
Yeah.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:36.100 - 00:31:38.980
Gotta earth. This is my big toes. It's not that exciting.
Colin True
00:31:39.300 - 00:31:42.060
You and your feet. We're gonna have the new podcast Shantae.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:42.060 - 00:31:44.660
And her feet because I'm an active person, Colin.
Colin True
00:31:44.660 - 00:31:57.710
It's true. Or I don't know why. So am I. But I don't have feet problems yet. Yes, yet. Number three, to yell. I regret this. Halfway up a mountain. I've been there.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:58.270 - 00:31:58.910
Emotionally.
Colin True
00:31:58.910 - 00:32:03.310
Those specific words definitely. Like the, the am I doing out here? This is terrible.
Shawnté Salabert
00:32:03.470 - 00:32:17.000
I did have a moment on the Colorado trail where a gust of wind knocked me over and then I scream like I literally. It knocked me over like a turtle with my back, my backpack holding me down. And I just remember like shaking my fist to the sky and screaming, I.
Colin True
00:32:17.000 - 00:32:40.320
Don'T want to be here. The low side for me are those like mountain bike races. And just like I was doing one at Park City and it was long and just couldn't.
My legs were done and it was like a rock garden. And all I wanted to do was throw my bike in the woods.
But it's like if I throw my bike in the woods, I'll feel better for a split second because guess what? Now I got to get the bike and continue to push it up this hill. So. And now I'm just mad that I have to do all that.
Shawnté Salabert
00:32:40.320 - 00:32:42.130
So so many Emotions I out there.
Colin True
00:32:42.290 - 00:32:42.810
Seriously.
Shawnté Salabert
00:32:42.810 - 00:32:42.970
The.
Colin True
00:32:42.970 - 00:32:50.930
The definition of type 2 fun. I guess number four, because the dog demanded it. Dogs are needy when it comes to hikes. They all want to go hiking.
Shawnté Salabert
00:32:51.010 - 00:32:51.490
Yeah.
Colin True
00:32:51.810 - 00:32:53.090
You should have a hiking cat.
Shawnté Salabert
00:32:53.250 - 00:32:57.290
She couldn't. No, no, you shouldn't. Nobody should have a hiking cat. They don't want to do that.
Colin True
00:32:57.290 - 00:32:57.810
That's a thing.
Shawnté Salabert
00:32:57.970 - 00:33:03.410
I mean, it's the thing. I follow. I follow some of them. What is it? It's like Henry the dog and Baloo the cat.
Colin True
00:33:03.570 - 00:33:04.610
Oh, that's cute.
Shawnté Salabert
00:33:04.610 - 00:33:06.530
I follow some celebrity hiking animals.
Colin True
00:33:06.850 - 00:33:42.290
Will you all about the celebrities. Number five. Hiking means the Bridger boot collection.
The Bridger Ridge is here to help you smooth out the rough trails in front of you with enhanced stability and protection. The Bridger Ridge is OBO's first boot with Gore Tex. So bring on the smiles and the miles and the Bridger Ridge.
And if you were in the seacoast New Hampshire or southern Maine area, you can buy your own pair of Bridger ridges at. Bridger Ridges is fun to say at Kittery Trading Post in Kittery, Maine. And then you know what you did?
You hike on over to Lil's Cafe for their cruller, which is the single best donut on the planet. It is an opinion I will die defending.
Shawnté Salabert
00:33:43.090 - 00:33:43.490
Wow.
Colin True
00:33:43.490 - 00:33:45.970
And this. Yeah, it's really good. And this hiking.
Shawnté Salabert
00:33:47.490 - 00:34:03.970
I can't. I have to just. Now I'm thinking about donuts. I'm thinking very specifically, there's a place if.
For listeners who know there's a place here in Highland park called Donut Friend and they. I've walked past Donut Friend. I don't live in that neighborhood, but I've walked past Donut Friend three times.
Colin True
00:34:03.970 - 00:34:04.810
This is in Los Angeles.
Shawnté Salabert
00:34:04.810 - 00:34:30.070
It is. Yeah. Three times in the past week for various reasons. And each time there's one donut they have on that shelf that is.
It's like a beard pop up cream puff situation where it's like just a little bit of donut on either end and then a slab of whipped cream and I have to fight the instinct to buy it and just eat the middle out of it because I can't have the glutens. So I just want everyone to applaud me for my self restraint.
Colin True
00:34:30.070 - 00:34:30.590
Well, because.
Shawnté Salabert
00:34:30.670 - 00:34:33.030
Well done, man. Every day I just want to go face first into.
Colin True
00:34:33.820 - 00:34:37.260
Just make sure you let us know when you eventually succumb to the urge.
Shawnté Salabert
00:34:37.340 - 00:34:40.220
I will. We'll have a follow up. Don't worry, it'll happen soon.
Colin True
00:34:41.580 - 00:34:58.860
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Chris DeMakes
00:34:59.420 - 00:35:01.580
It's time for a party shop.
Colin True
00:35:03.550 - 00:35:06.510
All right, it's time for the parting shot, and Shantae has something to say.
Shawnté Salabert
00:35:06.910 - 00:35:23.390
Oh, I mean, I always do. I just defer to you sometimes, which is what women do to men a lot. We defer to them.
So I'm gonna talk about the event that I taught at this weekend, which was an all women's event called Adventurous Escape, run by the adventurous.
Colin True
00:35:23.470 - 00:35:28.070
Let me interrupt you one second. Is it. Are you supposed to emphasize the us? Is that just us?
Shawnté Salabert
00:35:28.070 - 00:35:33.710
Because that's how it's spelled. It's a. It's adventur, capital U. S. It's like, are you.
Colin True
00:35:33.710 - 00:35:36.110
I mean, or do you. Are you just supposed to say adventurous? Are you just.
Shawnté Salabert
00:35:36.110 - 00:35:37.790
Probably just supposed to say adventurous? Yeah.
Colin True
00:35:37.790 - 00:35:41.990
Okay. I was wondering. Sorry. Because the U is capitalized. I didn't know if you were supposed to. They want you to.
Shawnté Salabert
00:35:42.310 - 00:35:47.110
But I just want to say, apparently I'm here for the emphasis. I'm going to emphasize some things.
Colin True
00:35:47.590 - 00:35:48.309
Okay.
Shawnté Salabert
00:35:49.510 - 00:36:24.740
But no, I went. And this is.
I can't remember if this is my fourth or fifth time teaching up there, but I teach, as we've discussed, that you just learned about me, navigation, map, and compass, which I love, love. And then. And then I teach backcountry skills, which is a lot of it ends up being. I do this thing where I talk about, what are your fears?
We put them on slips of paper anonymously. And it's without fail, every time I've done this, it's the same four categories.
It's like, you know, getting hurt out there, dealing with animals, dealing with the emotions of being solo outside. And then number four is always men. So got some work to do.
Colin True
00:36:24.740 - 00:36:26.300
Maybe that should be. That should be first.
Shawnté Salabert
00:36:26.300 - 00:36:27.620
Probably might need to be first.
Colin True
00:36:27.700 - 00:36:27.960
Yeah.
Shawnté Salabert
00:36:28.670 - 00:36:38.910
I hold out hope that it doesn't have to be, but no, it's just, you know, it's interesting because I don't know if you remember when REI used to do their Autessa events, was that a thing that was on your radar?
Colin True
00:36:38.910 - 00:36:44.590
Yeah, yeah, that was a big deal for a little while there. I mean, that's kind of one of those cuts that happened to rei, right?
Shawnté Salabert
00:36:44.590 - 00:38:38.220
Yeah. One of the many death by a thousand big cuts. But the Autessa thing, I liked the concept of it, but it was real bougie. It just wasn't a thing for me.
I was like, well, if someone wants to pay for me, I'll go.
But I also subconsciously, consciously, quietly had this thing where I really thought I was like, I don't know how I feel about being in women only spaces. And, and there's a lot of them. You know, you've got trail. Like I have a trail sisters hat that I wear all the time.
A friend got me after I did my first half on the trail. You know, there's women cycling groups, etc, and so on.
I've taught at women's hiking groups before, but I was, you know, I always had a little bit of a reservation. And so it's interesting how much I like, I love it now. And what's cool is that I'm shocked every single time we do one of these.
At the end of it, you know how much people can transform within a few days. And there were several women on this, this cohort, if you will, who straight up almost canceled like the week before.
And it was really interesting hearing them talk about it. And a lot of them were saying, like, I just don't think I want to hang out with that many women. And it's a small group, but interesting.
Yeah, like, I don' know if I'll like it. Is, are women going to be catty? Is it going to be like very dramatic and you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But I think, you know, it, it ended up, it upends people's expectations of what it's going to be. You know, what it's going to be like to be a bunch of, around a bunch of women outdoors.
And I just thought it was amazing because the majority of the women there for this one ended up they were veterans.
And I also did not realize, Colin, that women veterans, I've never thought about this before, do not have the same opportunities to get together in community like dudes do.
Like, when you think about Veterans Day and events and like even Sierra Club, military outdoors and all of the things that happen for veterans, there's a ton of stuff that happens that, that supports veterans, but you very rarely see women as the face of it.
Colin True
00:38:38.300 - 00:38:39.180
Right, right.
Shawnté Salabert
00:38:39.180 - 00:39:04.800
And so it was, it was amazing to see these women come in and sort of soften to the idea of being around a bunch of other women and have it completely change their perspective. Like these women were mountain biking and going hard.
They're climbing, they're doing, you know, they're stand up, paddle boarding, doing all this cool stuff. They're also getting introspective. Like, I even got every single one of them to put glitter on their face at the end. Personal.
I don't even like glitter, so I didn't say.
Colin True
00:39:04.800 - 00:39:06.040
You didn't strike me as a glitter type.
Shawnté Salabert
00:39:06.040 - 00:39:53.420
I'm not. I'm not. I put glitter on my own face, just to be fair. But yeah, it was. It really got me thinking about sort of how we view women in the outdoors and.
And how we view places where it is majority women. And do we still see that as like, oh, look at these girls out there for a time and it's like a big slumber party?
Or do we give women credit for being badasses and doing things and just being good athletes or being, you know, good teachers in the outdoors or whatever it might be. And it's like, I always come away from these things, sort of reaffirmed that we need to have spaces like this for this exact purpose.
That, yeah, it's not just the men sometimes that think less of us. It's sometimes we think less of each other. And. And it's just always super inspiring. And I just want to go basically move to.
Where does Wonder Woman live?
Colin True
00:39:56.620 - 00:39:57.420
Themyscira.
Shawnté Salabert
00:39:57.420 - 00:40:00.140
Okay. I always want to call it the Isle of Lesbos, but that's different.
Colin True
00:40:02.700 - 00:40:05.340
Well, I mean, I'd go live there.
Shawnté Salabert
00:40:05.340 - 00:40:05.980
Too, to be honest.
Colin True
00:40:05.980 - 00:40:06.300
Sure.
Shawnté Salabert
00:40:07.580 - 00:40:56.170
Bye till I die. But yeah, I just. I love it. I want to encourage more of these kinds of spaces, I think, too.
Like, you know, we've got an administration right now on the federal level that is saying like, oh, that's discrimination when you get a bunch of women together or whomever it may be. Right. Like affinity groups and things. And it's just bullshit. Like, sometimes people do need to be in.
In groups with people that they can identify with, like, where they don't have to put on airs and pretend to be one way. And they could just ask all their questions. Like, it's great because people ask me every single time I've done one of these.
People ask about going to the bathroom outdoors. People ask about, like, butt chafe, you know, all sorts of stuff that maybe they would. Wouldn't ask in a mixed gender group.
And listen, if there's anything I love talking about, it's butts and poop. So, you know, there you are.
Colin True
00:40:57.770 - 00:41:33.400
It is. It's the never ending challenge of the marginalized groups and probably just in general, not just the outdoor community. Right.
Because you're absolutely right. I never really thought of it that way. You either have.
You Know, it's rare that just sort of like badassery in a certain group gets to stand on its own. Unless it's men, it feels like, right. It's either, you know, oh, here's a bunch of women together and they're like, they're.
Maybe they're dressing up or doing something interesting or fun, that they're having just a good time in the outdoors. And it's like, well, that's not really that hardcore, you know, and it's like, ah, you. And then.
Or if there is somebody, I don't know, it just, it feels like there's always a way to nitpick.
Shawnté Salabert
00:41:33.640 - 00:41:50.430
There's always a way to nitpick. I think in general too, when you have these kinds of things, people look down on it and they're like, well, they're not. That's cute.
That's cute that they're getting together, but they're not. Good. Good. Like, a friend of mine runs an organization called Black packers, which is the best name ever. We've talked about it before, but I.
Colin True
00:41:50.430 - 00:41:51.470
Think I follow them on Instagram.
Shawnté Salabert
00:41:51.550 - 00:42:32.710
Yeah. Oh, yeah, they're bad.
But it's the idea too that, like, if you have a bunch of black people showing up at a ski slope, that people will be like, oh, that's cute, like it's a charity or something. And it's like, no, these are just people who want to go and have fun on the slopes like you.
And it's just historically, like, people weren't allowed on the slopes and historically women weren't allowed to do a lot of really cool shit that we love to do now. And so.
So, yeah, I wish people could just change their perception of what it's like, you know, when you're not a straight white man doing these things. Because there's a lot of really talented, really hardcore, really fun people out here doing a whole bunch of shit. So it doesn't have to be.
It's not like, oh, cute. It's. It's. Oh, fuck, yeah.
Colin True
00:42:33.270 - 00:42:39.360
Yeah, it's. It's. That's the measuring stick to me, like, right.
What you just said is like, you know, women who are like, I don't know about this, this, you know, like.
Shawnté Salabert
00:42:39.360 - 00:42:51.520
Not respecting you see? Oh, okay. It's not about that.
It's actually just about like having fun with like minded people and pushing your own boundaries and seeing what you're capable of and maybe deciding like, oh, wow, I can go much further than I thought.
Colin True
00:42:52.880 - 00:42:55.840
All right, good parting shot. That was a good.
Shawnté Salabert
00:42:55.840 - 00:42:58.400
I can't believe I Just wooted. Please just delete that comment.
Colin True
00:42:58.640 - 00:42:59.880
No, I'm now it stays in.
Shawnté Salabert
00:42:59.880 - 00:43:01.680
I don't ever want anyone to hear me woot.
Colin True
00:43:02.080 - 00:43:03.360
You woot Wooted yourself.
Shawnté Salabert
00:43:03.360 - 00:43:07.270
Oh my God, it's even worse. Wow.
Colin True
00:43:08.870 - 00:43:13.190
Well, we started with the MILFs and we ended with women empowerment. I don't know what that says about this show, but.
Shawnté Salabert
00:43:15.590 - 00:43:17.110
It says nothing and everything.
Colin True
00:43:17.510 - 00:43:38.420
There we go. Well, that's the show for today. We want your emails. Send them to myrockfightmail.com let us know what you think. We'd love to hear from you.
And also the Rock Fight's a production of Rock Fight LLC or Shantae Salibair. I'm Colin True. Thank you for letting me listening. Krista makes his back.
Actually it was Krista makes podcast that I was listening to that I referenced earlier called Krista makes a podcast. Great name.
Shawnté Salabert
00:43:38.420 - 00:43:39.860
I didn't know that that was a great name.
Colin True
00:43:40.180 - 00:43:46.260
Yeah, and it's a whole songwriter. He has a lot, not just sca stuff like all genres and they break down like famous songs. It's great.
Shawnté Salabert
00:43:46.420 - 00:43:50.500
Anyway, he's your scaz stuff. Well, you know, it's a solid thing to say.
Colin True
00:43:50.820 - 00:43:58.340
I wish it were, but it's not. Chris Demaikz but he's gonna sing the rock fight fight song and we'll see you next time. Rock Fight fighters.
Chris DeMakes
00:44:06.740 - 00:44:53.940
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Shawnté Salabert
00:44:57.060 - 00:44:59.700
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