US Forest Service Abandons Regional Offices Plus: Do We Still Need Approach Shoes?
- colin7931
- Jul 30
- 38 min read
Today on the show Colin & Shawnté run through the following topics and headlines to come out of the outdoor adventure community:
Gen Z Paddlers to the rescue! A new crop of young paddlers and kayakers are redefining what makes for a fresh and cool outdoor expeditions! (07:52)
Do we still need approach shoes? I mean if you're looking for an uncomfortable shoe that is half as functional as a climbing shoe and can be replaced by the myriad of other options the outdoor industry produces I guess we can keep making them? (15:14)
The Rock Fight LIGHTNING ROUND! The fastest 3 minutes of news in outdoor media! Today we hit why icebergs rule, a 9 year old climbs 5.14b, MLFNOW (it's fishing not 🌽), and underground marathons! (19:23)
The US Forest Service is going to close it's 9 regional offices. Yet another terrible idea from our current leadership in Washington DC that will have long lasting impacts across the US. The bad decisions just keep racking up. (23:21)
The Parting Shot! Colin takes aim at Big Hot/Cold and Shawnté provides a climate update from the Hague! (37:52)
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Colin True
00:00:02.800 - 00:03:05.690
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Are you re acclimated to the world now that you're, you know, is there like a decompression period you've had to go through once you're off trail?
Shawnté Salabert
00:03:05.690 - 00:03:06.530
I have like whatever.
Colin True
00:03:06.530 - 00:03:08.250
The trail versus the outdoor bends.
Shawnté Salabert
00:03:08.570 - 00:03:37.660
I have the outdoor bends, not bend. Yeah. I don't know. Have I? I've been home a week. Ish. And my sleep schedule, I was sleeping like a little feral creature out there.
You know, up with the sun, down with the moon, down with the sun. To be honest, I was tired out there and so, yeah, I have not, I have not gotten used to. To city life again.
I have found myself more than once looking@rec.gov and looking for permits to get back out. So.
Colin True
00:03:37.740 - 00:03:38.620
Wow, that's amazing.
Shawnté Salabert
00:03:38.860 - 00:04:19.939
Yeah, I don't mess around. I do. When I finished my stint on the Pacific Crest Trail back in, what was it, 2015 or.
I, I got home, I remember getting back to my apartment and my friend Jay had been watching my cat for the last few months. And he left me a gluten free beer in the fridge. And I put my pack down, I grabbed the beer and then I pulled my.
My very trail worn copy of Travels with Charlie out of my backpack. And I couldn't be in the apartment, so I went and sat on the back stoop and just like slowly drank the beer. I may have shed a few tears.
And the next day I got a permit to go right back just to make sure it was still there.
Colin True
00:04:20.579 - 00:04:22.139
It may have disappeared. You never know.
Shawnté Salabert
00:04:22.139 - 00:04:31.899
You never know. I was, you know. But yeah, it was still there. As it turns out, it's always still there.
So in theory, I mean, maybe not for long, but for right now, you.
Colin True
00:04:31.899 - 00:04:39.059
Know, you just said something that I've heard you say multiple times before. You described yourself as feral. What do you think a feral human is exactly?
Shawnté Salabert
00:04:40.259 - 00:05:04.270
Oh, man. Well, it's so I do. I have a group of girlfriends, Paulina, Ashi, and Cam, who the four of us jokingly call ourselves the feral females.
And so our version of it, I guess, is that a. We like to be outside.
We don't mind having a little dirt under the fingernails or on our faces or wherever else it goes, you know, We're a little bit of a farty crew. We're a little bit of a party crew.
Colin True
00:05:04.670 - 00:05:05.230
Okay.
Shawnté Salabert
00:05:05.230 - 00:05:45.880
Actually, not really, but. But we do. You know, it's the idea of just being. To me, it's actually just channeling sort of your little kid self.
I think of when, you know, I grew up in the city across from a boys and girls club. It was not a very natural environment, but we spent all of our time outside.
And this is also kind of an 80s latchkey kid thing to do is just play in alleys and things.
So, yeah, to me, it's sort of that I get to still channel those parts of my childhood where I'd go to summer camp for a week and wear the same clothes every day and just knock around in the dirt and read a bunch of books and stuff. The books are not the feral part, essentially, but, I mean, you need to.
Colin True
Be illiterate, I think, to be feral. Let's just. We need to, like, backtrack on that.
Shawnté Salabert
00:05:49.080 - 00:05:51.320
I don't know. Modern ferality is a little different.
Colin True
00:05:51.560 - 00:05:53.620
The modern feral. There's your.
Shawnté Salabert
00:05:54.340 - 00:06:01.860
That's my new. Actually, I need to copyright new podcast. This is my modern Feralist that I haven't started as the modern feralist.
Colin True
00:06:01.860 - 00:06:10.340
Maybe that could be a segment on Gear Abbey. We'll put some, like, you know, NPR Masterpiece Theater music behind you. Like, welcome to the modern feralists.
Shawnté Salabert
00:06:11.220 - 00:06:13.220
I'll work on my podcast voice.
Colin True
00:06:13.780 - 00:06:32.400
Last thing I want to say before we kind of get into the topics for the day is, last week you gave me just endless amounts of shit for choosing really depressing topics. And then the first thing you said this week, like, when we start saying, hey, what should we talk about?
You're like, hey, have you seen this guy who died while Everesting? So, like, I'm like, are you serious?
Shawnté Salabert
00:06:32.480 - 00:06:36.480
I think the news is now biased. The news I'm getting is being delivered.
Colin True
00:06:36.640 - 00:06:38.000
I affected the algorithm.
Shawnté Salabert
00:06:38.480 - 00:06:43.200
Yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, hey, you like that stuff? Here's some more depressing news for you.
Colin True
00:06:43.520 - 00:06:53.340
Welcome to the rock fight, where another person has died. So no disrespect to the. The Everesting individual who apparently died of hyp. Hypno. Hypno. I can't say the word. Thank you there.
Shawnté Salabert
00:06:53.340 - 00:07:04.860
Yeah, it's. Well, it's the.
I don't know if you remember, but back sometime in the last decade, I want to say there was a, you know, one of those radio shows where they're like, let's get listeners to do stupid shit on air.
Colin True
00:07:05.180 - 00:07:05.580
Yeah.
Shawnté Salabert
00:07:05.580 - 00:07:20.420
And somebody, like, drank water drank themselves to death because of hyponatremia. So it's just an imbalance in your body. You don't have enough electrolytes to kind of balance out. You got all this water in there.
But that is pretty wild that that's the cause of death there, right?
Colin True
00:07:20.420 - 00:07:38.340
And of all the endurance things, I think that's actually kind of a cool one. It's like, hey, it's a. It's not. It's a little different than just doing an ultramarathon.
It's the whole thing of Everesting as you try to climb the equivalent of the height of Everest, you know, in a certain period of time and. But another tragedy hits the backcountry. So. Thanks, Sean, for bringing us down.
Shawnté Salabert
00:07:39.140 - 00:07:49.330
I realized it after I sent it, so. But I think you found some more up beat we did for us to discuss. Well, don't worry. Don't worry, everyone. We will bring it back down.
Colin True
00:07:49.410 - 00:08:16.980
Don't worry about it. It'll happen. So. Speaking of which, today's opening shot is presented by Lem's Footwear, maker of the 100% vegan and 100% comfortable Primal Zen.
Actually, highly recommend the Primal Zen. It's a really comfortable shoe. I've worn it. It's good. All right, first up, it's that time of year again.
It's when I start to miss sea kayaking and I start wondering why I don't hear as much about kayaking as I used to. I just feel like kayaking used to be more basically, I lived in coastal.
Shawnté Salabert
00:08:16.980 - 00:08:18.380
New England glory days.
Colin True
00:08:18.780 - 00:08:20.740
Yeah, I was really into sea kayaking for a while.
Shawnté Salabert
00:08:20.740 - 00:08:21.260
I loved it.
Colin True
00:08:22.300 - 00:08:47.580
So luckily, according to an article on paddlingmag.com, there are young Gen Z paddlers that are carrying the paddle flag.
In an article titled Meet the Gen Z Paddlers Proving Expeditions aren't dead, there's a rundown of amazing things happening on the water, including a blurb about our guy, Kyle Parker, who is currently attempting to paddle. He tip to tip from Washington to Florida. By the way, his tagline is keep on stroking. So I think we pondered is. Is he. Does he get it?
Shawnté Salabert
00:08:47.900 - 00:08:48.460
He's got it.
Colin True
00:08:48.460 - 00:08:49.020
He gets it.
Shawnté Salabert
00:08:49.100 - 00:08:52.660
He seems like a. Like a. A lovely young gent, but he's in on it.
Colin True
00:08:52.660 - 00:09:18.760
He's one of us, right? Other highlights included a include an all female team assembling to take on the inside passage.
There's a group called the Hudson Bay Girls who are paddling from Lake Superior to Hudson Bay.
Thirty indigenous youth paddlers who paddled the first Descent of the recently undammed Klamath river and then a risky route from Dublin to Istanbul and named Peter Frank, who is paddling a 6,000 mile loop in the eastern United States dressed as a pirate.
Shawnté Salabert
00:09:19.080 - 00:09:20.200
Yo ho ho.
Colin True
00:09:20.520 - 00:09:27.000
So, Shantae, what do you think of the youth out there keeping the spirit of adventure and expeditions and kayaking alive in 2025?
Shawnté Salabert
00:09:27.560 - 00:09:52.910
I mean, honestly, I love it. I love that this is there.
There's like a real spirit of joy and fun to these rather than that kind of grizzled old timer trying to set a first or pushing some hardcore like man versus wild narrative. And you know, I, I think it's really refreshing. I like that that's the take on these, is that there's, there's like a buoyancy to it, a lightness.
I mean you want there to be a buoyancy if you're paddling.
Colin True
00:09:54.350 - 00:09:56.590
That is, that is factual. That is true.
Shawnté Salabert
00:09:56.590 - 00:09:57.110
That's true.
Colin True
00:09:57.110 - 00:09:58.829
Tune into the rock, fight for more tips.
Shawnté Salabert
00:09:59.550 - 00:10:04.230
Two tips. Can't. Can't let that go. No.
Colin True
00:10:04.230 - 00:10:05.470
Couldn't let that go. No. I respect.
Shawnté Salabert
00:10:05.470 - 00:10:14.600
Are you so, so what was your, what's your paddling history here? You sound like it's really. This is a thing for you, a little paddle in your heart. Yeah.
Colin True
00:10:14.600 - 00:11:38.720
I feel like in the 90s especially there just became these sort of outdoor archetypes and kayaking was one, whether it was hucking yourself off of waterfalls, kayaking or sea kayaking.
When I moved to New England and worked at Eastern Mountain Sports, there was a lot of folks who worked there who also worked for irba, which was the Essex River Basin Adventures Kayak as a kayak touring company.
And we got out on sea kayaks and just became a real kind of part of what we did all the time was going sea kayaking if we weren't going hiking or something. El really fond memories of that.
My, our last vacation my wife and I took before our first daughter was born when she was still, she was pretty pregnant.
We went up the coastal Maine and just did a bunch of like kind of, you know, bebopping around and going to the Camden and Bar harbor and everywhere else and, and kayaking and just be, you know, when we moved we kind of got rid of our boats and then we started standing paddle boarding and every once in a while I just start getting that like ah, you know, I'd just like to have like a big like, you know, 17 foot plus, you know, sea kayak and go out and do some touring or go kayak camping or whatever and Then you know that that urge goes away and I go mountain. But the. It's just nice to see it.
We actually had somebody on from Paddling magazine to talk about this once about kind of the state of paddling and it seems like it's doing pretty well. I would like to see paddling turn up at next year's Switchback. And maybe this is kind of what I'm alluding to.
It definitely kind of felt, you know, water sports, the absence of it at this first one.
I understand why they kept it a little bit smaller, but I feel like that category just would like to see that show up at events like that in the future.
Shawnté Salabert
00:11:39.040 - 00:11:42.080
There's just like an oar shaped hole in your heart right now a little bit.
Colin True
00:11:42.240 - 00:11:43.360
Little bit, you know.
Shawnté Salabert
00:11:43.360 - 00:12:00.860
Yeah. No, I mean paddling. I lived for almost five years, South Carolina and I. That's where I started kayaking. I'd canoed growing up in Wisconsin.
That's the thing. A very popular sport there on our waterways. But yeah, I loved kayaking in Charleston.
I'd say the only thing I didn't love about it were the alligators.
Colin True
00:12:01.420 - 00:12:02.060
Oh, sure.
Shawnté Salabert
00:12:02.220 - 00:12:04.580
Depended on if you were in the freshwater, saltwater.
Colin True
00:12:04.580 - 00:12:06.700
But can you hug them like bison or.
Shawnté Salabert
00:12:06.700 - 00:12:09.260
I. That's not on my list. No. I'm going to pass.
Colin True
00:12:09.500 - 00:12:18.720
Would you hug a bison or an alligator first if you had to choose Bison, obviously. I don't know. I think you could sneak up on the elevator, quick squeeze and run away.
Shawnté Salabert
00:12:19.760 - 00:12:58.540
Oh, man. No, I'm good. You know what I do want though? I mean, you bringing up this topic made me think of one of my favorite Sierra experiences.
I was co leading a group up Mount Silliman. I used to teach. I think I've talked about this. I used to teach a backcountry skills class and part of it was taking people out.
And they had to do at least two trips with us after the classroom portion. And they had to be mostly off trail so they could get experience with navigation and route finding and good ethics when you're off trail.
And so we were taking them up to Mount Silliman and on the way up there, for those who are familiar, they know what I'm talking about. There's like a thousand plus feet of steep slabs you have to go up.
Colin True
00:12:58.540 - 00:12:59.100
Oh, wow.
Shawnté Salabert
00:12:59.100 - 00:13:35.330
Um, and it's daunting with a backpack, much less what my friend Aaron did, which is surprise us at Silliman Lake, up in a little basin below the peak with an inflatable one of the alpaca pack rafts and. And Then all of the students got a chance if they wanted to, to go paddle around a little bit. And you better bet yourself, sweet ass.
I got in there and it was such a delight and I googled, I went down a total alpaca slash inflatable packraft hole. And so now I still, it's been a while, but I still am thinking that or one of the folding kayaks would really add delight to my life, I think.
Colin True
00:13:36.290 - 00:13:45.650
Yeah, there's just something about packing up a boat and kind of.
Adam, you know, I'm sure you can get the similar romance of, you know, throwing on a backpack or anything else where you're getting out into nature for a long period of time.
Shawnté Salabert
00:13:45.650 - 00:13:47.610
But I mean, you hate hiking now, so.
Colin True
00:13:47.610 - 00:14:27.300
I do. That's true. If I was going to do a molding multi day journey, I'd rather do it on a boat than a bike or on my feet. I'll definitely say that.
I think the other thing too that you brought up kind of at the beginning was the idea of these expeditions.
I do wonder if kind of our older generation here kind of hanging onto the spirit of exploration and largely most things have been explored and so a lot of the media coverage and everything tends to go back to like, oh, it's the first of this or the fastest one of these versus a lot of these folks we mentioned in this article that are like now we're just doing this, you know, like we're doing this really big audacious adventure because we want to go do it and then frankly that's the future here, right?
Shawnté Salabert
00:14:27.620 - 00:14:55.210
Oh yeah. I mean and I, yeah, I think having those more intrinsic goals for quote adventure, I think that's just much more appealing.
It's much more appealing to me from a storytelling perspective and then my own personal. I'm not going to do first anything. Like there is no first. I aspire to. I don't aspire to a last either, if we're being honest.
I'd like to keep living, but yeah, or fastest. That's never going to happen. But can I do maybe perhaps the most personally enjoyable. Yes, I can.
Colin True
00:14:56.010 - 00:15:01.370
That's the. Who's the best surfer in the water? It's the one having the most fun. It's like I adhere to that to everything.
Shawnté Salabert
00:15:01.530 - 00:15:04.970
Last one to Canada wins the pct. That's how it goes.
Colin True
00:15:05.130 - 00:16:07.000
Exactly. So well, good on you paddling Mag. And to all of those folks who were featured and everybody get out there and paddle a boat around. It's a good idea.
Next up, there was a recent Review of Solewa's new approach shoe, the wildfire nxt on geardunkey.com and I got to see that shoe in person at OMA a couple of weeks ago and it made me think about something that might be a little controversial because in the age of 8 billion different trail runners do we really need approach shoes?
So my case against them is traditionally approach shoes have been basically a more functional climbing shoe, like something to wear on the approach that had sticky rubber on the toe. But when compared to modern trail runners they really fit like absolute shit.
And in this large, largely positive review of the Wildfire nxt, author Bergen Jossim. I believe that's how you pronounce it.
Joseph said he wouldn't make this his choice as a trail running shoe, but it was good for quote, aerobic approaches to rocky objectives. So like, well why bother? We have lots of trail running shoes. So I don't know, what are your thoughts on approach shoes?
Shawnté Salabert
00:16:07.080 - 00:17:37.529
Oh man.
Well, you know it's funny because I haven't, I have some and I haven't used them in a while but I used to climb a lot and I did, I did actually appreciate them back in the day. I had some scarpas that I just loved. Um, I thought they looked kind of cute.
They had a very like skate shoe vibe to them except for the toe was very pinched in cuz it was a more technical shoe.
Um, but honestly like I liked when I was climbing a lot and I was going, you know, I was anywhere from Joshua Tree to Yosemite to you know, more local Craigs.
I liked having something that sort of threaded the needle between hiking and climbing for those mixed approaches where you might be on trail for part of it, then you might be scrambling around some boulders and you might be on some slabs and yada, yada, or you might have, you know, some like fourth class stuff that you don't really want to put on these pinchy tight climbing shoes but you want a more precise toe in than your trail runner is going to give. So they were great for that. And I still think there's a place for them. But I do, you know, I haven't actually looked at approach shoes in a while.
So I'm curious sort of what the landscape looks like now. You got me thinking about it because back in the day, I mean I have a couple pairs still in my closet. Back in the day it was pretty big shit.
You know, you'd go to OR and Scarpa would have their, you know, Lasproutiva, all these brands would have their Approach shoes right. By their climbing shoes. And it was like, of course you have some of each. Multiples of each.
But yeah, there is, there's so much hybrid stuff going on right now. I mean I, you know, I was like suspect when you brought this up, but you might have a point.
Colin True
00:17:38.089 - 00:17:49.570
I just, I'm not saying that there aren't ardent approach shoes defenders out there. I'm sure there are people who will defend them to the death. And like the specific place where someone climbs, like where they really can bring value.
Shawnté Salabert
00:17:49.970 - 00:17:50.450
Yeah.
Colin True
00:17:50.610 - 00:18:00.610
I think mostly it was the. I want to make sure that you identify me as a climber shoe. Right.
I can wear a shoe that like the lace to the toe, like the whole deal, it looks like a climbing shoe.
Shawnté Salabert
00:18:00.690 - 00:18:06.170
I definitely wore those, those beloved scarpas out into the world probably more than I wore them on approaches.
Colin True
00:18:06.170 - 00:18:08.730
Right. So you see someone kind of like that knowing look like.
Shawnté Salabert
00:18:08.730 - 00:18:11.570
And by the way, my technical entrance to the climbing gym.
Colin True
00:18:11.730 - 00:18:44.740
Yeah. And it's. This exists. And the people who say it doesn't exist in the outdoor space is full of shit. We've talked about it.
I look for when I'm out riding my rigid mountain bike, I'm like, I want the person who notices that there's no suspension fork on the front and I get the little look like oh shit. You know, like huh. Yeah. Sorry if you're not, if you say you're not looking for those little things, you are.
But when I look at the increasingly cluttered footwear scene, they're just incredibly specialized. Right. And so they fit on them. You know, a lot of climbers wear sports sandals.
I don't know, just maybe seems like a, I don't say a dead category or is this a dated category? Maybe is kind of.
Shawnté Salabert
00:18:44.740 - 00:19:03.190
It might be. I mean it might be. I do think in general we were seeing so many more crossover shoes.
You and I were talking before we started recording about craft and how they've got some interesting looking hybrids coming out that Gravel shoes. Yeah. Grab like a gravel. I love the idea of bike feet. Like having bike feet. I guess we'll see.
Colin True
00:19:03.190 - 00:19:04.630
Well, those are rollerblades.
Shawnté Salabert
00:19:07.350 - 00:19:10.710
Those are broken bones for Shantae. That's what those are.
Colin True
00:19:11.750 - 00:19:19.950
But I'd love to hear from anybody. Is anybody like, you know, gonna die on the hill of the approach you, you know, way into the comments or myrockfight gmail.com.
Shawnté Salabert
00:19:19.950 - 00:19:22.470
Jimmy Chin, send us a comment at.
Colin True
00:19:22.870 - 00:19:50.240
Here's why you're wrong. Alright, let's do a quick lightning round and then we'll move into our Main topic for the day.
So the first topic on today's Lightning Round Explorers Web posted a newcomer's guide to icebergs. Which reminded me how cool icebergs are and how challenging it is for many of us to see them in person.
Shantae, are icebergs the most underrated natural feature we can encounter on a backcountry adventure?
Shawnté Salabert
00:19:50.640 - 00:19:53.430
I suppose, yes. Unless you're in the Arctic backcountry.
Colin True
00:19:53.900 - 00:19:56.940
Is there anything you've seen on the PCT that's as cool as an iceberg?
Shawnté Salabert
00:19:57.820 - 00:19:58.460
Marmots.
Colin True
00:19:58.620 - 00:20:00.460
Yeah. All right, next.
Shawnté Salabert
00:20:00.540 - 00:20:02.220
Real, real big boy marmots.
Colin True
00:20:02.220 - 00:20:14.220
Just giant marmots. You only see like the lower third of them. You know, the upper third of them. Excuse me, above the tree line. Yes.
Next up, according to climbing.com on July 8, 9 year old Veronica Amy Cheek.
Shawnté Salabert
00:20:14.620 - 00:20:17.060
No one didn't fact check that pronunciation correct.
Colin True
00:20:17.060 - 00:20:23.860
Became the youngest person known to have climbed named 514B. Which begs the question, why haven't we accomplished more with our lives?
Shawnté Salabert
00:20:23.860 - 00:20:32.860
Shantae, speak for yourself, my friend. I once had Sean Astin give me personalized half marathon training advice. So I feel like I've accomplished everything I really wanted to.
Colin True
00:20:33.260 - 00:20:35.660
Is Sean Aston who you want to listen to when it comes to marathon.
Shawnté Salabert
00:20:36.700 - 00:20:41.020
Hardcore athlete cover of Trail Runner magazine. Sean Astin. Yeah, of course.
Colin True
00:20:41.340 - 00:20:44.300
Just known marathon authority Sean Aston.
Shawnté Salabert
00:20:44.380 - 00:20:46.090
Goonies was my first favorite movie as a child.
Colin True
00:20:46.090 - 00:21:02.530
Me too. Great movie. All right, next up, according to a press release, my outdoor TV will be airing milf.
MILF Now's coverage, I can't say it, of the Tackle Warehouse Invitational. Shantae, what kind of programming should Major league fishing AKA MILF be airing?
Shawnté Salabert
00:21:02.770 - 00:21:12.200
I mean honestly, somehow hearing the words MILF now and Tackle Warehouse Invitational in the same sentence, I would think this is an event where an elite cohort of hot moms are either most wrestling.
Colin True
00:21:12.200 - 00:21:17.160
Or playing flag football in the day of Love Island. I mean like that wouldn't get major ratings.
Shawnté Salabert
00:21:17.160 - 00:21:22.720
I mean come on, that would. Yeah, that's. That idea is for free. Any producers out there, just give us a call. My rectified.
Colin True
00:21:23.520 - 00:21:24.840
We just want credits. That's it.
Shawnté Salabert
00:21:24.840 - 00:21:25.280
That's all.
Colin True
00:21:25.920 - 00:21:47.590
All right.
Lastly, in response to the impact on runners, the impact being made on runners by rising global temperatures, a group co founded by Shantae's second all time favorite survivalist, Bear Gryll's second has proposed running marathons 3,000ft underground in the tunnels of Swedish mining company Baladin. Shantae, are you down for a subterranean marathon?
Shawnté Salabert
00:21:47.910 - 00:22:02.070
First, I just want listeners to know that Bear Grylls is further down my list of favorite survivalists than every single contestant on Alone and Naked Afraid combined, which I have never seen. Second? Hell, no. Given that I developed claustrophobia during the short time it took you to say all of that. So, no.
Colin True
00:22:02.630 - 00:22:04.230
Yeah. Underground Marathon.
Shawnté Salabert
00:22:04.780 - 00:22:05.180
Nope.
Colin True
00:22:05.420 - 00:22:08.060
3,000Ft underground. This isn't just like, oh, you go down there.
Shawnté Salabert
00:22:08.060 - 00:22:13.900
I feel like I got carbon monoxide poisoning. Just thinking about it. I know something's happening in my body.
Colin True
00:22:14.140 - 00:22:21.020
That'll be the next deadly story. We talk about all people who died during the underground marathon. Do you want to. Would you like to read the outro?
Shawnté Salabert
00:22:21.740 - 00:22:22.700
You know I would.
Colin True
00:22:22.860 - 00:22:23.340
Yeah.
Shawnté Salabert
00:22:23.900 - 00:22:58.040
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Colin True
00:22:58.040 - 00:22:59.680
Did you wear your switchbacks when you were in town?
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:00.560 - 00:23:03.040
I did, yeah. I wore them on the trail and in town.
Colin True
00:23:03.280 - 00:23:03.760
Wow.
Shawnté Salabert
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Colin True
00:23:04.640 - 00:23:06.080
Truly a versatile shoe.
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:06.160 - 00:23:14.320
Deeply. Actually, I actually had several people take. Had somebody take photo of my shoes and ask me where they were from. So.
Colin True
00:23:14.800 - 00:23:16.800
Did anyone say, are those bedrocks?
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:17.440 - 00:23:18.080
No, actually.
Colin True
00:23:18.400 - 00:23:18.800
Really?
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:19.040 - 00:23:20.640
Yeah. I was surprised.
Colin True
00:23:20.720 - 00:23:58.970
Yeah. All right. Today's main story is presented by Oboz, who loves hiking. And as the cupid of the outdoors, Oboz wants to help.
You love hiking just as much as they do. So, according to an article on mountainjournal.org, the U.S. forest Service will abandon its nine regional offices.
Currently, the Forest Service employs roughly 30,000 folks with their nine regionally based offices that manage about 193 million acres of public land. The work done at these offices will be absorbed by five regional hubs. Current regional research that is happening will also be consolidated.
So, Shanta, you sent this story over. You spent some time working with the Forest Service in the past. What are your thoughts on this development? Development?
Shawnté Salabert
00:23:59.450 - 00:24:15.530
Well, just. Just so nobody feels misled, I haven't worked for the Forest Service, but with them.
I've actually written a lot of web content and training content for them over the last few years. So that is until the New administration took over, so that work has dried up because who needs information anymore?
Colin True
00:24:15.530 - 00:24:17.530
Come on. Ignorance is bliss.
Shawnté Salabert
00:24:18.330 - 00:24:23.050
Just stick your head in the sand and enjoy it because there won't be any forest or grasslands left after a while.
Colin True
00:24:23.050 - 00:24:23.690
Just sand.
Shawnté Salabert
00:24:23.930 - 00:26:19.760
Just sand. Just. Just great head swallowing sand.
So part of working with them is that through the course of working with them and attending meetings and phone calls and all this stuff, I learned just how important it is that they have those nine regional offices that they are managing pretty much everything. So they've got over a hundred different national forests and grasslands that fall under that. I think it's roughly 120 or so.
And these regional offices touch every unit in their region.
So they cover everything from managing operations, operations to budgeting, resource management, volunteer recruitment and training, like the whole shebang. And so those hubs coordinate everything in that part of the country. So the five new hubs you mentioned, those are actually USDA hubs.
Those are hubs for the entire Department of Agriculture, not specific to the Forest Service. So get that. Like, if you think about it, the Forest Service is the largest agency that falls within the Department of Agriculture.
Like you said, they manage almost 200 million acres of land.
And so while I was doing this work with them, it became super clear that even of those nine regional hubs that kind of help coordinate everything, even they were overworked as it was. Like they needed more people, not less.
And so now you're going to have what, like 120 different units reporting directly to somebody in D.C. if the goal here is efficiency, quote efficiency. And listen, I am all for reducing government waste and redundancy and all that jazz. I think they're really missing the mark.
You know, I think that there we, we live in a massive country.
I mean, how many times of people joked, slash, half joked that we should really be a bunch of different countries, you know, now just imagine that Somehow this nearly 200 billion acres is going to be really efficiently managed by some pencil pushers in D.C. who aren't connected to these parts of the country. Like, it's just ludicrous to me.
Colin True
00:26:20.710 - 00:26:28.070
So not to put you on the spot, but I mean, do you know some of the work that one of these regional hubs do? Like what kind of things do, what kind of things do they do in their daily service?
Shawnté Salabert
00:26:28.310 - 00:27:12.670
Well, they're. Yeah, they're managing.
So if you imagine like for instance, you know, the Pacific Northwest region or whatever, they've got multiple states under their purview, They've got any national forest land and any national Grassland is under their purview. So those regional hubs are basically coordinating things like budgeting and staffing and volunteers and general operations.
They're coming up with land, like land management plans for the lands under their purview. So if they're talking about, you know, the government wants to do more resource harvesting.
Resource harvesting is the weirdest way I've ever said that they would cut down some more trees, guys. So if they want to do that, that the way that happens is by management on the regional level and then it goes to the local level.
Colin True
00:27:12.830 - 00:27:13.310
Yeah.
Shawnté Salabert
00:27:13.310 - 00:28:02.750
And it. You kind of like they, they're coordinating all aspects in that, that region and it allows all those people in the, the forest units.
So like here, for instance, down in Southern California, we've got the Angeles National Forest, San Bernardino, Cleveland, et cetera. All of those units then have one place they can report to. And then from there those nine regional hubs communicate with Washington.
So you have a much more accurate system of what's happening on the ground, what needs to be allocated where, whether that's staffing, money, other resources. And so if you're just ripping that away, it's going to be chaotic.
I'm just saying, having worked with these people for the last few years and doing some really cool projects with them that now I think will maybe not ever get updated again. It's really sad to me.
Colin True
00:28:02.910 - 00:28:06.150
Does the recreation piece of it fall into that? So like you mentioned Cleveland National Forest.
Shawnté Salabert
00:28:06.150 - 00:28:20.430
That's anything that happens on the forest falls under that purview. So you have like Cleveland will issue its own permits, for instance, and work with local partners.
So like the Pacific Crest Trail association works with the Cleveland national forest and Inyo, etc.
Colin True
00:28:20.430 - 00:28:20.830
Right.
Shawnté Salabert
00:28:21.470 - 00:28:56.030
But all of that is then funneled through the regional office, which is making sure that resources are allocated fairly across all of their units and things like that.
So I don't understand how somebody in Washington is going to know what's happening on the ground and be able to really respond to the resource needs in, in all of these regions. Like it's hard enough for those nine offices to coordinate such a massive. Like they each have a huge amount of land that they are in charge of.
So I don't know. I mean, maybe someone will come up with a wonderful system and it'll be great and I'll just remain optimistic, but I don't think it's great.
Colin True
00:28:56.670 - 00:29:18.250
This falls into the camp of a few other things we've talked about on the pod, on with what this administration is doing, where it's like maybe there's a good idea in here that is just being horribly executed. And you know, and so it's not even like to your point.
I also also agree, like, yeah, if there's, there's waste of our tax dollars, I would like that to go away. This just feels like let's just lay waste to it and we'll figure it out later.
Shawnté Salabert
00:29:19.850 - 00:29:21.930
Now there's a lot of baby in bathwater happening.
Colin True
00:29:21.930 - 00:29:52.380
A lot of baby in the bathwater. And I look at like this is, this is gonna take forever.
Like even if things work out the way we all want them to and this moron's gone and they get, we get, you know, there's a giant epiphany with all of our elected officials, like, oh my God, we need to do such a better job of managing this country.
And we start getting things like, like, you know, prioritizing vaccines and climate change and all the things that we care about as, you know, people who want to continue to live on this planet. Rebuilding all of this is going to take like how many decades?
Shawnté Salabert
00:29:52.460 - 00:30:32.640
No, that's the thing. I mean they've eviscerated so much. You also lose, what you're losing with all of this also is institutional knowledge.
It's happening like especially in the science realm when you're thinking about all of those things that have been destroyed. And it's, that to me is the scariest thing because we're losing this deep institutional knowledge.
And these people who've worked on, like I've got friends who are, are scientists who've lost their funding through the government that were working on things like cancer research. And you know, it's pretty wild to me. It's all quite short sighted.
Like anything, any good culling of excess waste and all that, you know, waste, you know, not excess waste is redundant. But you know, anything we're trying to.
Colin True
00:30:32.640 - 00:30:34.880
Cull redundant, it's like resource harvesting or what was it?
Shawnté Salabert
00:30:34.880 - 00:31:12.960
Resource harvesting. But you know, any, anything done like on such a massive scale should have been thought through.
And yeah, yeah, again, like there's, this is not to say it's certainly working with the federal government, the Department of the Interior, I've worked with some other branches as well. Is not the most straightforward thing.
There's a lot of tape and there's, you know, there's definitely some fact that could be cut, but it's again, just baby, with the bath water. There's not a lot of future thinking here. And that's because that's not the goal. The goal isn't Actually, to create a nice future for us all.
Colin True
00:31:12.960 - 00:31:32.960
Colin, I'm not a conspiracy guy. Like, typically, like, things are pretty straightforward.
In this case, it's like, no, you're trying to make us all dumber so that we still don't ask questions. I mean, this is. You were taking the Idiocracy playbook and putting it in. Like, if you're dumb, you're not going to care.
Like, hey, listen, there's, there's, there's Love Islands on TV and you have your crocs. Are you happy? Good. Just sit there and shut up about it.
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:33.760 - 00:31:38.170
You don't need trails and places to recreate. No, just watch your TV and buy things.
Colin True
00:31:38.330 - 00:31:45.130
I mean, is there anything. I mean, can. Can volunteer groups step in? Are there things that people can do to like, you know, like, pick up the slack?
Shawnté Salabert
00:31:45.130 - 00:32:56.070
I just probably going to have to just. I think about things like the. I mentioned the PCTA earlier, the organization that helps maintain PCT and works for funding.
You know, the pcta, Part of what they do is they like a big role. What they do is protect the corridor that the trail travels through. So a lot of the trail, like large portions of the trail still are under easement.
So it's not land that is owned by the PCTA or it's not federal land. So that land is always. If it's up for sale, then it's at risk. That part of the trail, whatever.
So the PCTA also does a ton of trail maintenance, just like other trail orgs. And so a lot of the funding for all of this stuff comes from their partnerships with the federal government.
So they're having to look at alternate funding. But I think this is happening across the board in different aspects of American life right now, where people are having to lean into. Yeah.
Is there nonprofit funding? Can we get more from individual donors? Like, can we. Are there volunteers that can help us? And I think the, the 4.
The local forest units are going to have to do that as well. Like, I just, I think the biggest issue, though, is going to be the communication with Washington above anything else.
Colin True
00:32:56.550 - 00:33:25.460
Well, and that's, you know, if there are some local organizations that are on top of some things. But it's. If you look at the map of the Forest Service regions, I mean, you know, the eastern region goes for.
Is that the Missouri river that's on the west side of Iowa, like, basically all the way through the Northeast. Right. The Southeast, the southern region goes from Texas to the Eastern Seaboard.
We're talking about massive amounts of land that used to have One office which was probably to your point, underutilized or under, under.
Shawnté Salabert
00:33:25.460 - 00:33:28.580
Under funded, underfunded, under resourced, you know.
Colin True
00:33:28.580 - 00:33:41.240
Not enough resources for what was required beforehand.
And now there's going to be nothing except for probably like, you know, some people in Washington D.C. picking up the phone going, yeah, sure, I guess you can, you know, staff that ranger station.
Shawnté Salabert
00:33:41.880 - 00:34:04.270
Yeah, that's the thing when you have like when you're saying, oh we'll have these five hubs. Those are again USDA hubs. USDA is the department, the big, you know, this is an agency.
Under it, the USDA is much larger than just the Forest Service. So if you think that somehow these four hubs are just going to be able to absorb all of the work of these nine regional offices, you are on.
You were a smoking sultan.
Colin True
00:34:04.270 - 00:34:09.950
Well, maybe they're thinking because they're rescinding the roadless act, they're just going to sell off a bunch of forest land anyway. Oh no, I shouldn't need these offices.
Shawnté Salabert
00:34:09.950 - 00:34:31.120
Exactly. I was going to actually mention that. So I think that's something that people can still.
We still have time to keep pushing for our elected officials to try and stop that because that is a really horrible precedent to set and it will fundamentally change the nature of natural spaces in this country of what we call public lands.
Colin True
00:34:32.630 - 00:34:33.190
Crazy.
Shawnté Salabert
00:34:33.510 - 00:34:35.510
Yeah, just an upper for you, Colin.
Colin True
00:34:36.070 - 00:34:38.870
Maybe we should have gotten back to talking about dead people in the backcountry.
Shawnté Salabert
00:34:38.950 - 00:34:39.590
Oh no.
Colin True
00:34:39.590 - 00:34:46.230
Well, it might be less depressing. At least they died doing what they loved. We have to live through this.
Shawnté Salabert
00:34:46.470 - 00:34:48.230
I love the gallows humor we have.
Colin True
00:34:48.470 - 00:34:57.270
Ah yes. All right, well, I guess suppose we will keep an eye on this and see how this all unfolds and then we will rant about it the next time.
Is it the news?
Shawnté Salabert
00:34:57.430 - 00:34:58.210
It's our new chair.
Colin True
00:34:58.840 - 00:35:09.000
Yes. You know, I guess continue to, you know, ping congress. Your congress folks and about the things you're unhappy about.
That's all we feels like we can do right now and protest so.
Shawnté Salabert
00:35:10.200 - 00:35:13.480
And get out and enjoy these quote, public lands while we still have them.
Colin True
00:35:13.560 - 00:35:14.200
That's right.
Shawnté Salabert
00:35:14.200 - 00:35:16.920
Honestly, like, you know, use what we got while we have it.
Colin True
00:35:17.720 - 00:35:20.360
Crazy. You want to read the outro?
Shawnté Salabert
00:35:20.760 - 00:35:21.200
Yes.
Colin True
00:35:21.200 - 00:35:22.840
Do you want me to do it? You know.
Shawnté Salabert
00:35:22.840 - 00:35:49.270
You know what, Colin? I'm on it. I'm going to do this one for you, buddy. I'm going to take this one for you. You love me supporting you, cuz. You know what?
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Colin True
00:35:49.270 - 00:35:54.090
I don't know if that means like anyone. Apple Watch. They don't. They don't ever. They don't work out. Never. Like, you know.
Shawnté Salabert
00:35:54.090 - 00:35:58.450
Yeah, my chorus gets outside every day.
Colin True
00:35:58.530 - 00:36:00.450
Oh, all right. Tech wars.
Shawnté Salabert
00:36:01.730 - 00:36:09.730
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Colin True
00:36:10.210 - 00:36:12.130
Right? That was you that couple weeks ago.
Shawnté Salabert
00:36:12.210 - 00:36:13.010
That was me.
Colin True
00:36:13.570 - 00:36:15.410
Right. Just hugging those marmots.
Shawnté Salabert
00:36:16.610 - 00:36:22.840
What? The marmots would have saved me if I. If I went to too far down the snow snowy slope. The marmots would be.
Colin True
00:36:22.840 - 00:36:26.680
Marmots assemble. They come charging down the hill, landing.
Shawnté Salabert
00:36:26.680 - 00:36:34.160
On a soft pile of marmot fur. Little haunches. I just said haunches twice in this episode and I'm not going to apologize for that.
Colin True
00:36:34.160 - 00:36:36.240
It's your new. It's your new trail name. Haunches.
Shawnté Salabert
00:36:39.440 - 00:36:45.640
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Colin True
00:36:46.120 - 00:36:51.240
Yes, I agree with that. It's fun to step in puddles. Go tromping around in puddles.
Shawnté Salabert
00:36:51.560 - 00:36:54.760
It is. That's it goes back to being feral. It's the childlike wonder.
Colin True
00:36:54.840 - 00:36:55.560
There you go.
Shawnté Salabert
00:36:55.960 - 00:36:57.040
But you know what, Colin?
Colin True
00:36:57.040 - 00:36:57.560
What's that?
Shawnté Salabert
00:36:57.560 - 00:36:59.400
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Colin True
00:36:59.400 - 00:37:00.600
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Shawnté Salabert
00:37:00.600 - 00:37:06.120
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Colin True
00:37:06.200 - 00:37:10.120
Oh, conveniently placed after talking about your waterproof boots.
Shawnté Salabert
00:37:10.120 - 00:37:12.530
That's right. Right. Good job, you writer of this ad.
Colin True
00:37:12.610 - 00:37:13.170
You're welcome.
Shawnté Salabert
00:37:13.170 - 00:37:26.450
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Colin True
00:37:27.570 - 00:37:32.770
Yeah, I do love it. I've not tried the lt, but my katabatic wins are pretty great shoe.
Shawnté Salabert
00:37:33.010 - 00:37:44.860
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Colin True
00:37:45.100 - 00:37:46.940
Gotta love hiking. Even me.
Shawnté Salabert
00:37:47.500 - 00:37:48.900
Do you? I do.
Colin True
00:37:48.900 - 00:37:49.260
I still.
Shawnté Salabert
00:37:49.260 - 00:37:50.660
And when you wear your katabatics.
Colin True
00:37:50.660 - 00:37:51.820
That's right, my winds.
Chris DeMakes
00:37:53.820 - 00:37:55.900
It's time for a parting shot.
Colin True
00:37:57.660 - 00:38:42.750
All right. Time for the parting shot. All right. For my parting shot this week. Apparently, Shantae, it's the heat that wins. All right.
According to an article on athletechnews.com. a new study says that hot tubs, they're better than saunas and are best for circulation and immune health.
So if you just got that sauna installed, you best tear that shit down and put up a hot tub.
But don't get too attached to soaking in that glorious hot water, because sometime in the next one to three months, we're gonna swing back the other way and you're gonna hear about how you need a cryogenics membership to complement the $2,000 cold plunge tub that you'll need to buy.
So my parting shot is for the growing hot and cold therapy industry, because despite your ability to find an article, Ashante told me that will convince you that you need one of these things.
Shawnté Salabert
00:38:42.910 - 00:38:46.110
A study. I said a study. And also, I wasn't Pentagon.
Colin True
00:38:46.590 - 00:38:48.910
They might be peer reviewed, but they're pretty thin, all right?
Shawnté Salabert
00:38:49.069 - 00:38:50.030
Good for inflammation.
Colin True
00:38:50.190 - 00:39:11.650
There's nothing truly definitive, but if you like the idea of soaking in hot or cold water or sitting in a steamy sauna, you know, just indulge in it, man. If it makes you feel good, then you go, do you feel good doing the thing that you want to do? But don't get sucked in by my big wellness, all right?
And say that you gotta, like, go buy a cold plunge tub, put it in your backyard like a moron, all right?
Shawnté Salabert
00:39:11.650 - 00:39:17.770
Or you could just, like, rub icy Hot all over your body and have both sensations at once. Tiger balm.
Colin True
00:39:18.970 - 00:39:31.730
I bristle at this sort of rising, the amount of resources going into making so many of these things. And it's like, hey, does this work? And the answer is like, yeah, yeah, works pretty good. You know, it's just such bullshit.
Shawnté Salabert
00:39:32.840 - 00:39:33.160
Next time.
Colin True
00:39:34.920 - 00:39:35.800
Yeah, there you go.
Shawnté Salabert
00:39:36.040 - 00:39:41.320
I do want to go to. I do have sauna dreams right now. We have some amazing Korean spas here in la, so.
Colin True
00:39:41.480 - 00:39:47.880
And I'm sure all of our Swedish pals would tell us about, you know, the sauna scene over there, you know, but I just.
Shawnté Salabert
00:39:47.880 - 00:39:52.040
You know, they're very naked, actually. Both. Yeah, they're very. All. All sauna.
Colin True
00:39:52.040 - 00:39:58.850
Everyone's naked except for Americans. We're the ones who are all prudish and uptight, like, oh, my God, I saw a butt, not a. Oh, no.
Shawnté Salabert
00:39:59.490 - 00:40:00.530
Portion of a cheek.
Colin True
00:40:00.850 - 00:40:01.810
What will I do?
Shawnté Salabert
00:40:02.290 - 00:40:05.650
Truly, one of my favorite versions of you is Old man shakes fist in the sky.
Colin True
00:40:05.650 - 00:40:09.010
So thank you for impulsion. No, I'm shaking my fist at big. At big, hot, cold.
Shawnté Salabert
00:40:09.010 - 00:40:27.650
Okay, okay. Big, hot, cold. Colin's onto you. But you know what? I have a parting shot today, and it is big, hot, cold.
It's a follow up to my weird parting shot from last week that I feel like wasn't really a parting shot. It was just me rambling about these people I'd met that were climate scientists. One of them was heading to the Hague right after the trail.
Colin True
00:40:27.650 - 00:40:28.100
Yes.
Shawnté Salabert
00:40:28.730 - 00:41:18.650
So, update.
So basically, you know, as I mentioned, the International Court of Justice, which is known as the World Court to most, they were about to issue this opinion on whether countries were essentially responsible for their contributions to climate change.
So the report or their opinion was released last week and no surprise, they're like, yep, countries or states, as they call them officially are responsible to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. And so not only that, they determined that there should be criminal liability requirement, like, yeah, yeah, y' all are wrong for doing this. And.
And essentially a requirement that they pay climate reparations if they continue to ignore the responsibility to act. And this is really aimed at the countries committing the most egregious of the contributions to greenhouse.
Colin True
00:41:18.650 - 00:41:20.050
So not the United States.
Shawnté Salabert
00:41:20.530 - 00:41:21.730
No, absolutely.
Colin True
00:41:21.890 - 00:41:22.610
Of course not.
Shawnté Salabert
00:41:22.690 - 00:41:23.540
Just angel babies.
Colin True
00:41:24.090 - 00:41:24.410
Yes.
Shawnté Salabert
00:41:25.210 - 00:41:32.210
But yeah, so something. So. So basically it's like, okay, that's. That's great. I'm not surprised that they ruled that way. But it's great to hear.
Colin True
00:41:32.210 - 00:41:33.530
Completely unenforceable.
Shawnté Salabert
00:41:34.250 - 00:42:02.050
Unenforceable.
But something I want to note so that the guy I met on trail, my buddy, specifically works with island states, so that's places like Fiji, Haiti, Samoa, that will and are already feeling the outsized effects of climate change given their vulnerability to, you know, warming, rising seas. And it was actually the tiny island state some people may remember this from. I believe it was survivor of Vanuatua 2.
Colin True
00:42:02.690 - 00:42:03.130
Okay.
Shawnté Salabert
00:42:03.130 - 00:42:30.250
With a population of just over 300, 000 people and clocking it at roughly 4, 700 square miles in size, they got this ball rolling back in 2021. So kind of a classic David versus Goliath move. Little guys really can come up on top of.
Even if, like you said, if figuring out how to enforce this opinion is just going to be the craziest uphill battle. So good luck to you, World Court. I would love to see you succeed in this. Let us know how that goes.
Colin True
00:42:32.410 - 00:42:41.290
That's right. Please. David beat Goliath.
But then Goliath's like, giant big brother looks like looking like Donald Trump came over the hill and it's like, squashed it down. Like, you're not going to do that.
Shawnté Salabert
00:42:41.690 - 00:42:43.410
Is it South Park's version of Donald Trump?
Colin True
00:42:43.410 - 00:42:44.490
Did you watch the episode?
Shawnté Salabert
00:42:44.490 - 00:42:45.090
Yes, I did.
Colin True
00:42:45.090 - 00:42:46.330
Oh, it's amazing.
Shawnté Salabert
00:42:46.410 - 00:43:00.400
It was over at my friend's house, Ed, that she, her husband and their son were like just sitting there and they're like, come join us. Yes, but good, good luck to all the Davids out there trying to fight that pillow battle on climate and any other thing.
Colin True
00:43:00.560 - 00:43:03.600
Anything else? Maybe there's a few in the forest service.
Shawnté Salabert
00:43:04.320 - 00:43:06.640
Good luck to you forest Davids.
Colin True
00:43:07.360 - 00:43:09.920
That's all I got. Anything else you got on the the docket for today?
Shawnté Salabert
00:43:10.480 - 00:43:14.000
No, I made a really good potato salad and I'm really excited to eat it afterwards.
Colin True
00:43:14.880 - 00:43:23.980
All right, well, that's the show we want your emails, send them to myrockfightmail.com the you hear Shantae's voice won't be next Wednesday. It'll be on Monday's episode.
Shawnté Salabert
00:43:24.140 - 00:43:24.620
Whoa.
Colin True
00:43:25.260 - 00:43:58.740
Infiltrating the the top outdoor brand draft. That's the first time we're talking about that on the pod. So come back. Right.
By the time you hear this episode, I will have gone to see Krista makes and lustin Jake down here in San Diego. So if anybody's out seeing them this week, come see, come say hi.
Actually, you won't because this will be out after that show unless you're nevermind. That's true. But the rock fight's a production of rock fight LLC for Shantae Salibair. I am Colin true. Thanks for listening.
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Chris DeMakes
00:43:58.820 - 00:44:54.490
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Colin True
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