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Secondhand Apparel's Big Jump, Reflecting On Jasmin Paris At The Barkley & You Can Have Dinner In Space for $500k

Monday morning headlines!

Today Colin and Justin take their weekly turn through some of the headlines to come out of the outdoor community and industry over the past week.

On the docket for this week (with time codes if you want to jump around):

  • A closer look at Jasmin Paris's record setting finish at the Barkley (10:20)

  • For $500,000 you can have dinner in a balloon at the edge of space with a bunch of other rich people (14:09)

  • ThredUp's 2023 report on secondhand apparel shows big growth and potential (23:32)

  • NFSC: per a new study exercise is good for insomnia (29:52)

All this plus America's favorite podcast segment What Is Justin Doing This Weekend presented by Long Weekend Coffee (01:45)!

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Episode Transcript

Chris DeMakes (00:07):

Here we

Colin (00:08):

Go. Welcome to the rock Flight where we speak our truth, slay sacred cows and sometimes agree to disagree. This is an outdoor podcast that aims for the head. I'm Colin True and joining me today. He's ready to pod and that's no April Fools. It's Justin Hausman.

Justin (00:23):

It's April Fools Day. April Fools. I forgot all about it.

Chris DeMakes (00:26):


Colin (00:26):

We're recording this on Friday as well.

Justin (00:28):

Is there a more annoying day? Are you an April Fools fan?

Colin (00:32):

I feel like I was as a kid, but it was because I was supposed to when I was a kid

(00:37)I guess. Okay. When I was a kid, it was funny. Every year my brother would trick my father into thinking he was putting sugar in his coffee and it was actually salt and it was this ongoing kind of April Fool's prank and he'd get more and more creative every year. That's funny. I pull this prank off. That's great. I do not like any of the, we're recording this on Friday, but this upcoming Monday, I may just have to stay off of social media, so sick of it's just going to be, and I also don't like when it's like, oh, it's National Dog Turd Day, let's celebrate dog turds. Just stop. Not everything has to be a holiday that needs to be celebrated. It all drives me crazy. April Fool's might be the worst of it.

Justin (01:14):

Yeah, it's like every website you visit. Not every one the good ones, but a lot some of the time. Good ones do too. I'm just so tired of the, you go on any outdoorsy site and it'll be like Matt Everest discovered on the moon and you're like,

Colin (01:29):

Well, that's it. It's never really ever that good.

Justin (01:32):

I didn't really think about the fact that my kids will probably start getting into April Fools. My oldest turns five next month or in about a month, so she's probably old enough. She'll probably hit me with some April Fools on Monday. It'd be amazing. Well,

Colin (01:45):

We're recording this on Friday, March 29th. You're hearing it on Monday, April 1st, which means that in between then and now we had ourselves a weekend and that's no April Fools because it also means it's time for America's favorite podcast segment. What is Justin doing this weekend? Presented by Long Weekend Coffee. It's Justin. What are you up to this weekend besides pranking your children?

Justin (02:06):

You think it really is America's favorite podcast

Colin (02:07):

Segment? It is. It's proven. We have science data to proves it.

Justin (02:11):

Well, I've been going through my kind of randomly going through photos the other day on my phone looking for, I don't remember what, I was looking for an old picture and I noticed that there's all these shots of me holding up like giant bass from what I used to do, a lot of bass fishing and they were all at the end of March and so I realized, all right, I think if I remember correctly, that's because the eggs start to hatch or they get the moms get really aggressive and so in the spring, early spring and the water temperature changes, so it's really good Bass fishing time is what I'm getting at. So I'm going to go back to bass fishing this weekend. I'm pretty stoked actually. It's supposed to be kind of rainy up here and that helps or it can help. It basically masks your poor presentation techniques, even though bass are pretty, they really don't care that much, but there's some really good bass fishing around here and it's not the same as fly fishing or creek or anything like that, which is this amazingly poetic kind of grounding experience, but it's still pretty fun.


Colin (03:19):

It's like a lake kind of the roll up? Yeah,

Justin (03:21):

There's like four reservoirs that are all within a quarter of a mile each other. Pretty close to my house. So

Colin (03:28):

Take the kids.

Justin (03:31):

Not yet. Not yet. I've, I've had my oldest with me while fly fishing and immediately they just want to hold the rod and that doesn't really work and so I don't think they're ready for that yet. I guess. I'm sure people take five-year-olds fishing. I'm sure that they do, but then I'm not fishing then. Then it's just like me showing them how to hold a rod and not cut yourself with a giant hook.

Colin (03:55):

This is you teaching your children things? Well I

Justin (03:57):

Guess I want to, I'm actively looking forward to the day when I can teach my daughter how to fly fish. That'll be fantastic. And we're getting close. I know they make little kid rods that I think have fake hooks and stuff like that, so maybe You know what? That's a good point. Maybe I'll grab one of those and bring her up there with me.

Colin (04:15):

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Justin (04:48):

Secret Handshake is a really good name.

Colin (04:49):

It's a great

Justin (04:50):

Name. It's a really good name.

Colin (04:52):

Alright, well before we get in the headlines, just a couple updates on what's happening over on Rock because something really cool happened this week where Justin actually was able to kind of dig up some of his older columns for stuff he wrote for a surfer back in the day and we started posting them over on rock We posted a column called Master of Some from 2019. Do you have any behind the scenes behind the music for Master of Some Justin? If people want to read

Justin (05:15):

It? Yeah, if you are at the point in your life where you've had, I wrote that article about how I had gotten kind of bored with surfing, not even gotten bored with surfing, but got to the point where surfing was not providing the happiness that it used to and it felt like almost like a job and a lot of surfers in their thirties and forties go through that. I think because unlike any other outdoor pursuit I've ever been involved with, it is an all consuming thing. And at a certain point though, the magic starts to fade for lots of different reasons. So the article is about how finding other things to do, just expanding my toolkit for things to do in the outdoors not only made my life more interesting and more fun, I had more fun stuff to do, but also made my relationship with surfing a lot more back to where it was when I was younger.

(06:09)And it's still that way today to where I don't need to surf every day. I don't really care about performance. It's just really fun to be in the water and to enjoy the experience rather than reflecting on how it could be surfing better, it could be surfing bigger, a better wave somewhere, all the things that you eventually kind of comes through. And maybe that's the case with all outdoor sports. I don't know, surfing's the only one that's ever been that part of my life for that long, but it resonated really well with readers at the time. And you don't need to surf. I mean, I think anybody who defines themself by a particular outdoor pursuit at a certain point will start asking questions, what comes next? And that's kind of the impetus behind that piece.

Colin (06:45):

I absolutely related to it. I mean definitely I agree. I could see how, I don't think it should be controversial for anyone listening to this who doesn't surf to not disagree that surfing is a bit of a different animal compared to some of the other things we do. Just from even just the availability of if you live in a place where you can surf and how it could become, we've talked about it a lot in the show. You can spend all day just go break to break, look at it, where should I go? It just becomes your life. And even then working in the outdoor industry for a long time, working for brands and you do that whole thing where it's like, oh, I'm working for something that supports this thing that I love, whether it's running or cycling or skiing or whatever. It's easy to burn out. It's easy to be like, I grew up doing this thing, I loved it or I discovered it and I love it. And now not only do I'm trying to find time to get out and go for a trail run or a bike ride or go ski or whatever it is, but also now I spend all day on the phone with retailers or brands or media folks or whatever and being like, oh, I love this so much. And at the end of the day you're like, how much do I freaking love this?

Justin (07:42):


Colin (07:42):

That's for sure too, and it really is easy to burn out even on something that you love.

Justin (07:46):

Absolutely. Yeah. I mean I think that it's unfortunate, but it is true. And I was working for surfer, it wasn't like a piece I just submitted. So yeah, that my whole life was just every single day like, okay, what's going on surf culture today? Just after a certain point you just need something else. And so for me it was fishing, oddly enough, talk about fishing again. That was what did it for me. I mean I was already camping and doing some backpacking and stuff, but it was something about fishing because fishing could also be pretty all consuming and it just gave me something else and that opened the door to something else and that opened the door to something else. And then once you kind of get on that program where, I mean that's a nice thing about the odo world though, is that most people I know do a lot of things. Oddly enough in the surf world, it's like there's plenty of people who just surf. Maybe they snowboard in the wintertime, but I know a lot of people who all they do is surf. That's it. Mountain bikes have taken a good route and a lot of surfers are riding mountain bikes these days.

(08:42)But yeah, most times I just randomly a couple days ago, met a guy at the cafe down the street who had a Johnson Outdoors shirt on and I was like, alright, Johnson Outdoors, why do I know them? He's like, oh, they own Jetboil and all these other brands. I'm like, oh, that's right. I'm like, do you work for them? He's like, yeah, I work for one of the brands that they own. And so we started chatting and I had never met this guy before, but he lives in town, he's roughly my age. And so we connected on LinkedIn afterward and I'm like, well, you probably ride mountain bikes, right? You won't go for ride. He's like, of course I ride mountain bikes. It's just like he is like, and he scuba dives, he does this, he does that. So that is the kind of nice thing about the outdoor world. A lot of us already have other pursuits, but I think anybody who holds on pretty tight to any one thing would get something out of the article. So check it out and I'll be pulling up some other ones I think are applicable to the wider outdoor community from our old surfer days. I wrote a column for years and so there's dozens if not hundreds of 'em lying around.

Colin (09:37):

Yeah, I think we're going to try and get 'em up at least once a month, maybe a little more frequently, but it's rose colored Hausman. So from the archives of Justin Hausman, it'll be up there, you'll see it. We got a great cover shot for it. If you've listened to this podcast, you'll get it when you see it. And yeah, we're excited about that. Thank you for doing that. I think that's a really important addition to the site. I mean, there's other things on there too. You guys take a look. We have a lot of satirical pieces about the industry and outdoor sports. We have our regular campfire tales and please while you're there, sign up for our weekly newsletter. You missed this past week. It was epic I'm sure. And next week though, every week it comes out, we've got lots of, there's always a couple of things that you can't get anywhere else that we purposely put in the newsletter.

(10:14)We don't put it anywhere else. So click join the mailing list while you're there. And now let's get in the headlines. We do have one follow-up story that we spoke about last week, and that's the Barkley. So when we recorded our last headline episode, we said there were seven runners on the course for the last lap of the infamous ultra-marathon. Of those seven, only five finished, which by Barclay standards, it's a super high number. If you're listening to this, you didn't listen last week, you're not familiar with the barley. Just do a quick Google on it. It's incredibly hard ultramarathon in Tennessee. It's a very unique even by ultra-marathon standards. But the big story to come out of the five finishers that the one that mattered the most was Jasmine Paris, who became the first female finisher ever at the Barclay. She finished with only 99 seconds to spare before the 60 hour cutoff. Great, great. Finish photos of her, she's spit coming out of her mouth. She's

Justin (11:04):

Just as you see how cut up she was.

Colin (11:06):

Oh yeah, dude, their legs are bruise. It's holy smokes. The rain down there is gnarly dude. And she had a bunch of series of firsts along the way. She had already completed a Barclay Fun run in 20 22, 20 23, which is where you complete three laps this year. When she set out for Lap four, she was only the second woman to ever do that. So only one other woman had even started lap four. And then she also set a new record for the female fun run in terms of time. She was the fastest ever female fun run. And then she became the first woman to finish four laps and start lab five and think, this is the thing that I want to hear what you think about this. She had 13 hours left on the clock and she finished with 99 seconds to spare and it's like roughly 20 miles, right? I mean if you follow the course. So just how destroyed she was, how hard this was. It took her 13 hours,

Justin (11:56):

You think, gosh, she

Colin (11:56):


Justin (11:57):

Have this. So when they're doing a lap, is it literally the same exact lap every time or is it

Colin (12:04):

No, that's a

Justin (12:05):

Good point. They have to find the book with the pages and stuff. So each lap is different, right?

Colin (12:09):

Well, it's the same book. The bookstore I think in the same place, but they do send you out in different directions. So there's like a clockwise or counterclockwise way to go. And I think that the last lap finishers are always going because a lot of times at the beginning, apparently they'll all group together and kind work with each other and kind of find their way around. And then over time though, so they send them out at opposite ways on the last lap. So if you and I were there, you'd have to go one way and he would send me the other way. So we can't help each other.

Justin (12:36):

Is it all off trail? Is it partially off trail?

Colin (12:38):

There are trail. Is it

Justin (12:39):

Off trail at all?

Colin (12:40):

Yeah. Yeah. But there's definitely, and there's also the idea of like, well, if I got to get, it's faster if I cut through here, even if there's not a

Justin (12:48):

Trail there and you can do that,

Colin (12:49):

You're allowed to do that.

Justin (12:50):

Dude. So insane. I've never seen photos of, I'm trying to think if I could compare. You got to look these photos up. I don't know what I would compare it to other than stuff from the Last Temptation of Christ or something. She just looks so beaten and it just looks like every ounce of everything was gone.

Colin (13:12):

One thing when I think of the barley, I think of photos of people who even don't even finish one lap and I'll cut up their legs, look. And then you do see people like John Kelly I think who's a multi-time barley finisher. I think he typically wears either pants or tights. And I'm like, I don't know why you wouldn't. I understand that maybe it's hot, but everyone gets their legs shredded, everyone. And maybe you're just sort of like, okay, that's what happens here. But think about how your legs hurt from the effort and then also the superficial scratches on your legs and you got to go back out for another 20

Justin (13:42):

Minutes. It's amazing the different levels of get after it that people have. And I don't know where that comes from. I don't know if, are you born with that? Does something happen to you at a certain point in your life where you just feel like this compulsion to do these extremely difficult physical things? It is interesting to me why some people have that, some people don't. I don't know where it comes from.

Colin (14:09):

So next story from Explorers Web. They reported on a new service by Space VIP. This is literally one of those stories where if you had said, oh actually this ran on the onion, I'd probably believe you, but also it's kind of exciting and weird. So Space VIP is going to allow paying customers to float a hundred thousand feet high to dine aboard a pressurized cabin. You'll be so high up that you'll technically be in space and you'll be able to see the curvature of the earth. So you'll get a high end meal prepared by Chef Rasmus monk. That's apparently a real name that will inspire thought and discussion over how humanity can better protect the planet. Each traveler gets a spacesuit or a dinner outfit built by French fashion house, holy, I don't dunno how to pronounce it. Holy cow. With cutting edge fabric developed specifically for this mission. So Roman chip Roka, I'm not pronouncing that correctly, I'm sorry, Roman, founder of Space VIP said the purpose of this expedition is to harness the transformative power of space travel to elevate human consciousness and proliferate universal space literacy. Sorry. This is why all proceeds will be directed to the Space Prize Foundation, a group that promotes aerospace careers for women in science, technology, engineering, arts and mathematics. Mathematics. And if you're interested, the cost per seat is set at $495,000. So initial thoughts,

Justin (15:35):

Well, I was talking to Steven Casimiro a few months back about covering space stuff and Adventure Journal generally speaking, and I was like there going to the moon is about as unbelievable and adventures humankind has ever had. Clearly

Colin (15:55):

Name a bigger one, right? Yeah.

Justin (15:57):

And he brought up a really good point, which is that's true, but it's not accessible. Nobody else can do it. But those however many people that have done it, 11 or 12, I don't know how many people have walked.

Colin (16:06):

Are you an astronaut then you don't have a chance.

Justin (16:09):

There's just no, theoretically anybody could climb. Well, apparently, literally anybody can climb Mount Everest and

Colin (16:15):

Poop on it. Yeah, actually you can't do that anymore. Sorry. Well

Justin (16:18):

That's true. So it's interesting because on the one hand to me there's almost nothing more interesting than space exploration. I mean, that's about as cool as it gets, but okay, so you want to do it cool. It's $495,000,

Colin (16:35):


Justin (16:36):

That's the cheapest I've seen of any of these random options where you can go to space for the day

Colin (16:41):

And I like that it's a balloon versus being strapped to a rocket. I

Justin (16:45):

Just feel like these guys are, does it not feel like every single day is one step closer to making the plot of the movie Eum Real?

Colin (16:56):

Oh yeah.

Justin (16:57):

And that's what the rich people just escape the space. I mean, do you really think that the same people that already right now have the power to make massive changes are going to all of a sudden decide to do that? Because I see the curvature of the fucking earth. No, they're going to be like, what we could do is just make this way bigger and just like we could all live up here. Of course what's going to happen? The idea that this would be, I'm going to go back to the notes here. Universal Space Literacy. How was it Universal? Universal for whom?

Colin (17:24):

Well, the one thing that if the proceeds really do, if you click on the link for the Space Prize Foundation, that's actually a thing that was almost what made me want to include this more. Because it's like if there's a good outcome here and it's not just a bunch of rich people floating around at a hundred thousand feet going, Hey, look at that, the curve of the earth, then that's really cool. That is cool. But you're right, I can't imagine having the ability to pay for this. If you and I found ourselves within capsule with these people, what would we all talk about?

Justin (17:52):

Why this is a giant waste of money? I just feel like I've gone from, when I said earlier, I think space exploration is extremely cool. I do, but I also gone from that's all we should care about. I get to some degree why people like Elon and probably this guy and lots of other sort of futurists are like, well, we got to get off the planet. I've made that argument before and that no matter what you do, the sun expands and the earth will go, it doesn't matter what happens. It doesn't matter how much you serve or

Colin (18:26):

Everything. Our daer number, whether its in some form. Yeah.

Justin (18:29):

So theoretically, if what you really care about is humanity existing a billion years from now or 5 billion years from now or whatever it is, you have to eventually leave the planet and then probably eventually, but then the universe also has a death point, end point. So then what you have to move to another universe. I mean to what end? This to me is all just like people who just do not accept the fact that we're all going to die. That's what this is to me. And it's just like, I know it's probably a weird leap to make from this to that, but it's just like, can't we just be happy with the earth? We just be stoked. Can't we just conserve what we have and just appreciate where we are and the randomness of this existing to begin with? And I dunno, I don't understand the compulsion to leave this place behind to go somewhere else. I don't get it.

Colin (19:19):

I don't know how many seats there are in this thing. Let's say it's six. So if that's like $3 million goes to the Space Prize Foundation, excuse me, which then all has this great, if there's a positive outcome that doesn't maybe exist with other things, then that's great, i's great. But also

Justin (19:35):

Just give that money to them anyway. Well

Colin (19:37):

That was my follow up thought. You could just write a check. And then also this feels very much more to me, there's going to be an outcome here that reminds me of the capsule that went down to the Titanic. Oh,

Justin (19:48):

Absolutely. Absolutely.

Colin (19:52):

I can say like, oh, this sounds better than being on the rocket. I'm like, actually, if I'm going to do this, I think I'd rather just go to space and I'll gamble on the rocket versus I'm going to float up in a capsule. I don't know that they're cooking dinner on it's,

Justin (20:07):

It seems like wildly tone deaf for one. But it also seems like the thing that I don't love about space, the privatization of these sorts of space things is our, the sky should be ours. I don't have a say in this. There's nothing I can do to prevent a thousand satellites a day from being launched into space. But you see 'em, I bet you we would be shocked if you were able to go camping. If you were go back in time and it's 50 years ago and you look at the sky and you look at it now, I bet you'd be blown away by how many more satellites you can see.

Colin (20:44):

Oh, I'm

Justin (20:44):

Sure. Yeah. And that's just going to get worse. And don't think the privatization of space, that doesn't make much sense to me that you can just send, there's repercussions for the rest of us with this sort of stuff. So I don't love this. I don't love this mean, would I like to see space? Sure. I mean that'd be incredible as

Colin (21:00):

Say take the price tag out of it. Would you go?

Justin (21:02):

Yeah, probably. I mean, I would love to mean wouldn't, what an amazing thing. It'd pretty cool to

Colin (21:07):

See the curvature

Justin (21:08):

There. I mean I do sort of get that, but just generally speaking, I dunno, honestly, maybe propping up $200, trail running shoes isn't that different, but it just seems like this is just rich people just pretending to be doing something good so they can do something like this, which whatever.

Colin (21:28):

But that's an interesting comp, right? Because it's a good point. We know that every pair of, and it's a tease for what's coming up on gear and beer later this week, but it's like we know that every pair of running shoes that we make is going in a landfill probably sooner than most other things we make as active folks, right? Running shoes are the ultimate disposable athletic shoes for the most part. Boots you can say, oh, you can resell it. Athletic shoes are going in the landfill. That's 200 bucks a pop. This is like, yeah, it's like it's cringey. It's 500 grand to go up and have dinner in a freaking hot air balloon look at. But it's also, but the money seems to be going to a good place. Does the ends justify the means here? I mean,

Justin (22:13):

I guess I should also, I don't know this guy. He could have the best intentions in the world. What a

Colin (22:17):

Weird thing though. This is what he's sending his time doing. To your point,

Justin (22:22):

Rasmus monk. So the chef just is going to be up in that thing too.

Colin (22:27):

Was there a kitchen?

Justin (22:27):

Why do you need to have a

Colin (22:28):

Fancy dinner and gas?

Justin (22:29):

See, that's the thing. That's exactly it. It's like, I guess the whole point

Colin (22:34):

Is pick up five guys before they get in the balloon. Here's your burger.

Justin (22:40):

I don't know. I guess it must mean, God, it must be incredible to be that rich. What are you doing? Oh, I'm going to check this out. This is what I'm doing this week.

Colin (22:48):

We're excited that we can pay for a family vacation. They're like, I'm making a space

Justin (22:51):

Balloon. You're eating some insanely, unnecessarily fancy meal. Just like,

Colin (22:58):

As you see, we're passing over the Amazon. That's where these berries were sourced actually.

Justin (23:02):

Oh my God. You're probably right. I wonder what it looks. A hundred thousand feet isn't that high. I wonder if it even feels like you're in space.

Colin (23:09):

Yeah, it's right, apparently. I think at the point, I don't think there's, you're not going to get feel waiting sound like, which frankly, if you could float, then I'd be like, all right, I would like to know what that feels like. Fuck, it's weird and I don't want to go on the vomit comment or whatever.

Justin (23:23):

No, that sounds terrible. It sounds terrible. Which, because everybody really does seem to puke on

Colin (23:28):

That. And then you're just floating around with puke floating around. I'm not into it. Alright, next story. We had some good news actually on the apparel sustainability front for a change as reported by SGB this week, A new study by threat up shows that secondhand sales had a big year in 2023. Some highlights from the report include that the global secondhand apparel market could reach 350 billion by 2028. The US secondhand apparel market grew seven times faster than the broader retail clothing market in 2023 and is forecasted to reach 73 billion by 2028. And 52% of retail executives polled said they would adopt circular business models if government sponsored financial incentives existed. And just from some context, I mean it's still a long way to go. In 2021, the global apparel industry had a total revenue of over a trillion dollars. So three 50 billion by 20 28, 4 years away. Still pretty far behind. But I mean, how recently have we in the public consciousness been talking about secondhand? I feel like it's a pretty recent thing that it's become like we're talking about it in terms of the billions dollars becoming a more accepted thing to talk about. But anyway, all really good news.

Justin (24:38):

Well, I mean obviously it's an incredibly great thing that we can do this. I will sell stuff on Poshmark sometimes. Poshmark is actually pretty good if you want to buy used outdoor stuff. I sell boots on Poshmark if I don't want 'em anymore. I've bought rain jackets and stuff on Poshmark, so I'm more of a Poshmark user. And obviously gear trade, we've talked about them quite a bit.

Colin (25:03):


Justin (25:04):

Yeah. But I mean it's nothing but great news. I mean, at a certain point, I don't really buy clothes that much, but when I do, I will usually look like a Patagonia award wear first

Colin (25:17):


Justin (25:18):

And part of it is, it's not even, I'm necessarily thinking about, okay, this is great because it's been used and something new wasn't made. It's just cheaper. It's less expensive. So I don't know why you would, at a certain point you're like, I don't really, it's funny. It's funny that this is even coming up. The other day I was having a beer with a friend of mine and some guy walked in with obviously a brand new sweater, a brand new pair of jeans, and where both of 'em were like, when was the last time you had that experience? Remember we used to just go to the store, you'd buy a brand new outfit. I couldn't tell you. And it almost seems kind of weird to wear brand new clothes. So I'm a big fan. This is great. I mean, everything should be like this.

Colin (25:57):

Yeah, I think when we were talking to the folks at Gear Trade, that was a big thing for them. It was how young their consumer base is. Their average age is in the twenties. And I think the fact that this is all happening without a lot of mandates, with the fact that it seems to be coming just from demand, especially from younger folks, there was more information in this study about the influence of a younger generation on this. And I think it's still an opportunity from the outdoor side specifically. Obviously this is, this is the apparel world in general is what we're talking about. This is on the outdoor side, but this is where the outdoor industry needs to lead. We have it ingrained in us that we're making this stuff, whether you admit you are or you're not, that you're supposedly making this suffer to increase the accessibility for outdoor adventure. But

Justin (26:37):

They are trying. I mean, it does seem like most big brands have either straight up introduced or flirted with introducing some kind of secondhand marketplace for their stuff.

Colin (26:46):

Yeah, I think some of that is kind of box checky for them, but it also doesn't mean it isn't impactful. It is impactful and it's good for them to do it. And there is no government regulation or no one's saying that you have to do it. It's all kind of consumer response. And the fact that over half of these retail executives are like, yeah, we would do it if we were made to do it. Basically it's admitting that we're not doing it on our own. Yeah,

Justin (27:07):

That's a weird thing to say. I mean is that since when do big companies want government interference in the way they do business, but all right, if that's what it would take, it's

Colin (27:18):

A total admission that they know they should be and they're not.

Justin (27:21):

However, can you imagine the political horse shit that would go along with something like that? Oh, the big feds are making you wear used clothes. I mean, Jesus Christ, it'd be all over Fox News in five seconds. It

Colin (27:31):

Would be

Justin (27:32):

Just pictures of dirty clothes. This is what Biden administration wants you to wear,

Colin (27:38):

Right? It's just like in a gutter, like an old pair of jeans or something like that.

Justin (27:42):

Yeah, that would be nothing but that on Fox News all the time.

Colin (27:44):

You're absolutely right. But it is these people saying that they would just do it over half of 'em and say they would do it. And so we still have a long way to go here, but it is nice to see that number one, it's being driven by younger folks. And number two, that these are real numbers mean not even, it's probably I guess a drop in the bucket compared to the total value of the trillion dollar market. But it's growing it's opportunity. I

Justin (28:06):

Think there's a pretty good chance that a lot of the sort of breathless anticipation that people had about Gen Z saving us might actually come to fruition. I mean, if you read any stat about anything that is bothersome or that you think should be changed, chances are 80% of Gen Z agrees with you. That's true. We just recorded an episode of Adventure Journals podcasts two days ago, and it was about the perfect adventure vehicle. And so we have three different age cohorts. Me, Steven, and his son and his son's Gen Z, even though he owns a forerunner, he owns a gas guzzler. He's desperately trying to find something he could use that will work. He's like maybe even a Prius. He's clearly reached a point where to him, me and Steven are like, look, we barely drive these things. I put four or 5,000 miles a year on my truck tops. It's not like a daily driver. I personally don't care a whole lot about the carbon inhibitions of my truck. I don't use it that much.

(29:04)And that's how I sort of justify it. Jackson is like, I can't. It's to the point now where I just feel so awful with any carbon emissions, I can't do it anymore. And you look at that when we recorded the, I don't want to spoil it, but well, it doesn't matter. We recorded the Gear and Beer podcast and we talked about non-alcoholic beer, and that's a huge thing. Now, way fewer kids are drinking than they used to and they think alcohol is poison and it's all mental health. They're way bigger, better about mental health. Obviously things like carbon emissions are huge to them. So there's a chance that, and I'm sure secondhand close is going to be a big part of their lives. So they may save us after

Colin (29:43):

All, they might come on Youth of America like, hurry up. Geez, I like to see happen before I die.

Justin (29:48):

My kids need to grow slower. But yeah, everybody else needs to hurry up.

Colin (29:52):

Alright, our last story, not long ago we covered a headline that broke incredible new ground that people who spent more time in the sun had a higher risk of skin cancer. And we filed that under no fucking shit for me except for you. Well, we're back on no fucking shit corner because this week CNN reported on the astounding and shocking new study, that regular exercise. Justin, guess what? Associated with less insomnia, a doctor who was not involved in the research was quoted in this article was saying the study may give health professionals another tool alongside medication and therapy. I'm like, who's funding this study? I'll tell you the answer. Yes, more exercise will help with you, with your insomnia.

Justin (30:36):

I want to make fun of this with you. But here's the thing, if you're totally sedentary, this probably isn't obvious.

Colin (30:46):

I think I had an issue with the line. It'll give health professionals another tool along with medication and therapy. Why health professors? Why aren't they the ones saying no fucking shit. That's true. I tell all of them to go for a walk. But no, we're busy writing prescriptions.

Justin (31:00):

Well, I will say there is a difference between your doctor and your therapist. So where does this fall insomnia? Is that treated by a doctor or a therapist? I honestly dunno.

Colin (31:10):

Maybe both. Frankly, depending on what the cause of it is.

Justin (31:13):


Colin (31:13):

It helps. So

Justin (31:15):

Not go for a run, go for a mountain bike ride

Colin (31:17):

Who walk up the street

Justin (31:19):

Again. I agree with you. No shit. But it's actually, as someone who's been in therapy for a lot of my life, it's been really nice to see this. I revolution in understanding how being outdoors and how moving your body can really help. I mean, I've written a dozen articles about this, about doctors prescribing hikes. You could go on Lexapro or you could take a hike or do both, whatever. And there's actual mountain bike therapy groups now where you can, a therapist who's a mountain biker will get a few people together and they'll just go for a ride and they'll talk about their problems. But at the end, and I've written before about how when I'm suffering from pretty serious anxiety, I'll just ride my bike more. And it's like at the end of the ride, you're so tired. I mean it doesn't cure whatever it is it's causing it. But it's a great treatment. And so to me this is kind of along those same lines. And what else is the cure for insomnia? Taking a sleeping pill, that sucks. I've done that. It's not fun. But yeah, honestly, I really do think that we're fortunate enough to understand that moving your body helps basically every other aspect of your life. But so many people are sedentary.

Colin (32:29):

No, you're right about that. I think maybe the issue is just with the headline when it's like study shows that moving house with insomnia or whatever it was, it was like, oh, come on, what are we doing?

Justin (32:38):

It's wild. How much of science is like that where you're like, well, yeah,

Colin (32:42):

Yeah, no shit.

Justin (32:44):

I don't know.

Colin (32:45):

Yeah, you're definitely right about that though. I think about, and it's also really hard too, by the way, when you're in those spots to think I should go do something like this, right? Oh, you

Justin (32:54):

Say the hardest thing in the world. Everything is, especially if you have insomnia, Jesus Christ, all you want to do is lay down probably because you're probably tired all day because you sleep. But oh my God, get run.

Colin (33:05):

Is there a worse condition, frankly, than insomnia? Honestly, in terms of mean, obviously there are worse conditions, but is there something to think about, just disruptive if you were able to live a moderately normal life?

Justin (33:15):

No, I don't.

Colin (33:16):

What would be a worse condition than insomnia?

Justin (33:17):

I mean obviously that's not like a insomnia doesn't really hurt you necessarily. So yeah, opposed?

Colin (33:22):

Yeah. But think about when you take a red eye somewhere and how you feel the next two days. Right now, that's your life.

Justin (33:28):

I mean, if you're in a position to where you can nap, you can kind of maybe deal with it. But I agree with you, God, what a horrible, there's almost no worst feeling in the world than if you already know you have insomnia and it's 2:00 AM when you're awake.

Colin (33:42):

I saw a great meme, I think it was on threads this morning of Yoda with his eyes closed, but it's successfully making it to the bathroom in the middle of the night without, and still feeling sleepy feeling where you're like, just keep your eyes closed. Okay, just get through this going pee and then get back into bed and not be wide awake.

Justin (33:59):

Have you ever had insomnia while you were camping?

Colin (34:02):

Well, that's a great question. I mean, I definitely had some rough nights camping. Well sure,

Justin (34:08):

But usually because you're uncomfortable, it's in a different place. I cold first night sleep, but usually I'm waking up constantly. I'm not falling asleep. You fall asleep and you just wake up every

Colin (34:17):

Hour. I usually fall asleep at like six 30 at night. Right. You just crash.

Justin (34:20):

But I can't think of a single time where I'm just tossing and turning in a tent or whatever, just not being able to sleep because I'm just wired.

Colin (34:28):

Right. No, I'm with you on that. Yeah, you're noting. Yeah, you're right. Usually you're falling asleep, but then you wake up and you get to pee. Or actually the most disruptive thing is when you have to pee because you're trying to, I can make it to morning and you should just go, that's

Justin (34:38):

The worst. No, there's nothing worse, nothing worse than that. Just

Colin (34:40):

The worst. And it's the coldest part of night. Although I've had some of those times. Then when you get out and you realize that like holy shit, the moon's out or the moon's not out and the start, it's like the best F are always at three in the morning when you're taking a leak.

Justin (34:51):

So this is going to sound insane, but often if I'm camping by myself, I will not drink water or I will not pee before I go to bed because I want to wake up at three in the morning so I can see that. Because otherwise I won't. I'll try to set my alarm.

Colin (35:04):

See, I can totally pee and I'll up wake

Justin (35:05):

Up at three. I'm going to wake up at 3:00 AM and come out and see the stars. But no, I'm fucking not. But if I drink an entire Nalgene right before I go to sleep and I have to wake up at two or three, you're right. There's nothing better.

Colin (35:15):

Alright, well okay. No fucking shit corner, but mostly for the copywriters over on, was it

Justin (35:21):

Do better with your headlines.

Colin (35:23):

Headline. I was just like,

Justin (35:24):

Yeah, makes sense. But also that makes, if you are struggling, go for a ride.

Colin (35:28):

That is so true. Go for a ride

Justin (35:29):

Right now just

Colin (35:30):

For a ride. Just drop what you're doing. Go for a walk, go for a ride. Just move your body. It will help. So, alright man, we can wrap it up there. Anything to talk about before we head out?

Justin (35:42):

We're coming up on the eclipse.

Colin (35:44):

Yeah. Are we going to see any of it? I think we're kind of pretty far away from it out here, aren't we? Isn't it like center?

Justin (35:50):

Yeah. No, I don't think we see. Well, I mean, good question. We'll have something. I mean it'll be some, you can still look through

Colin (35:57):

A, should we record a podcast during the eclipse?

Justin (36:00):

Maybe? Because I mean if aliens are going to come, it's going to be during an eclipse, right? So we should probably be clearly just be prepared just in case.

Colin (36:06):

Alright, well before we move on to that next podcast, which should be this past Friday's latest gear and beer episode of the Rock Fight, head to rock and sign up for our newsletter. Like we said, now you can get stuff from Justin Hausman. You can get stuff from sign, you get stuff from all sorts of little uny commentary stuff Sign up for the newsletter and it's always a good time over there. The rock fight, it's a production, a rock fight. LLC for Justin Hausman. I'm Colin True. Thanks for listening. And he's here to take us out. He doesn't have insomnia because he's tired from all that rocking he's doing out there. It's Krista Makes with the rock fight fight song. We'll see you next time. Rock fighters, rock,

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